[Noisebridge-discuss] NoisyCalendary

davidfine d at vidfine.com
Sun Jan 24 17:30:43 UTC 2010 

 I'd rather stay open to pranks and malice than implement something counter
to our values. It's not like a plane will explode if we don't IR scan
everyone who edits our wiki. But as you said, we have a right to insist
that a person reserving "significant resources" leave some contact info.
All that remains is to define "significant resources" and "contact
information". 
 --D

 On Sun 24/01/10 8:48 AM , "jim" jim at well.com sent:

 i think your note below is right on. to claim 
 resources, all that's needed for sure is some 
 means of communication with the prospective claimer. 
 i don't see a need for validating the actual 
 identity of the claimer. 

 i like the idea that claims on resources would 
 involve a member (not to say non-members should 
 not be able to use resources ad hoc, and "resources" 
 to me means things that are significant, such as 
 classroom space, electrical power costs, quality 
 of air, use of community effort...). 

 On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 23:00 -0800, Ian Atha wrote:
 > We could have an optional organiser field for each event created.
 > During a meeting two weeks ago, someone mentioned that "it's nice to
 > have events sponsored by a member". Anything other than that is
 > impossible, or we would be fooling ourselves, given our current
 > infrastructure.
 > 
 > That's to say, I have no clue who "Ever Falling" is, if they are a
 > member, or if they are to be trusted. I have no way of actually
 > associating that guy who introduced himself as "Leif" to me with
 > "leif at synthesize.us", other than good faith. I have no problem
 > extending that good faith to people editing the wiki putting a "name"
 > (or a moniker, or whatever).
 > 
 > If someone really wants authentication and authorization for reserving
 > resources, I would really like to hear a full-fledged proposal. How do
 > we associate monikers with faces? How do we associate monikers with
 > usernames? Who validates that? Who says "thatha" is a trusted person,
 > but not "anonymous_user_1234"?
 > 
 > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 20:59, jim  wrote:
 > >
 > > makes sense.
 > > i wasn't worried about spam-like robots, mainly
 > > some way to manage contention for resources, also
 > > to minimize pranks and malice.
 > > non-logged in edits seem fine, but people so
 > > doing and who want to claim a resource should
 > > identify themselves somehow or another, it seems
 > > to me.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 18:35 -0800, Leif Ryge wrote:
 > >> So-called "anonymous" edits on mediawiki are really a misnomer - it
is more accurate to describe them as non-logged-in edits, since they are
actually attributed to an IP address which is potentially much less
anonymous than logging in with a pseudonym.
 > >>
 > >> The reason to allow them is convenience and the increased
participationn that results from that. People are much more likely to edit
the wiki if there are no barriers to doing so, and the small hassle of
picking a name and password is a significant barrier. On the other hand,
requiring login to edit achieves absolutely nothing, unless you also
restrict account creation (which would obviously be a much bigger barrier
and reduce the use(fulness) of the wiki). I'm an admin on a couple of wikis
which do require a login to edit, and let me tell you: spam robots figured
out how to create mediawiki accounts a *long* time ago.
 > >>
 > >> So, I think we should continue to allow non-logged-in edits on the
wiki, and by extension the calendar, so that forgetting one's password (or
not wanting to create yet another) is no excuse for not putting something
on it.
 > >>
 > >> ~leif
 > >>
 > >> p.s.: notes from Ian and me meeting today are at
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/NoiseCal [1]
 > >>
 > >> ----- Original message -----
 > >> >
 > >> > oh, i don't get why anonymous edits:
 > >> > anonymity seems antithetical to accountabilty, and
 > >> > it seems to me things that our community depends on
 > >> > ought to have some accountability track: who's claiming
 > >> > what resources and why. requiring a name also reduces
 > >> > the vulnerability to malice and pranks.
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> > On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 13:36 -0800, Ian Atha wrote:
 > >> > > Hey folks,
 > >> > >
 > >> > > Leif and I are meeting up at 2169 today circa 3pm to brainstorm
about
 > >> > > the implementation of the One True Noisebridge Calendar. If you
have
 > >> > > anything you'd like us to consider now's the time to speak!
 > >> > >
 > >> > > For your reference, voilá Kelly's specs:
 > >> > >
 > >> > > - Publicly editable, anonymously editable
 > >> > > - Publicly linkable
 > >> > > - Has the usual variety of calendar layouts (day, week, month,
list)
 > >> > > - The usual calendar capabilities (description field, repeating
events)
 > >> > > - iCal feed, RSS feed
 > >> > > - Some sort of feed which can auto-update the wiki homepage
 > >> > > - Probably free
 > >> > > - Hosted locally(ish)
 > >> > >
 > >> > > And bonus options:
 > >> > > - Can use wiki logins or some other kind of identification in
addition
 > >> > > to anonymous
 > >> > > - Events have a field for which room/area of NB
 > >> > > - Calendars show which room/area of NB
 > >> > > - open source or some other moral superiority
 > >> > > - easy publishing to email (for nb-announce, for instance)
 > >> > > - misc bells and whistles
 > >> > >
 > >> > > I'd heart you so much more if we keep this thread relevant!
 > >> > >
 > >> > >
 > >> > > -ian.
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