[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge-discuss Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10
Jim Youll
jim at agentzero.com
Thu Jun 10 19:16:01 UTC 2010
Hi. You don't know me and i'm putting my real name on this note because i think it's the right thing to do (at the risk of making enemies of people i've never met)
I moved to SF in January and have been looking for a good place to hang out, learn more tech skills, and work on "stuff". I checked out the Hacker Dojo down in Mountain View - and found it to be really cool in its own disorganized ad hoc busy-busy-busy way. I would be glad to pay $100/mo to be able to plop onto a couch with my laptop and work there, go to the informal classes, meet people. I need to meet people. Good lord, do i need to meet people. But its way too far away. Parisoma and the other places like it are much too expensive for my casual needs.
Noisebridge sounded similar.
And so i write this note only cuz I loves ya, even if i doesn't knows ya:
What i've seen on this list is tons of squabbles, people correcting one another in public and not in a happy way, someone accusing someone else of "illegally" offering accounting advice while not being a CPA (that's not illegal unless you charge for it and/or advertise that you're a CPA) and now someone is in trouble for trying to raise money for an organization that, in my limited experience, is about to face a cash crunch. I have a sense of who's senior and who isn't, and frankly, senior persons, take it from someone who has been "senior" in many roles - the most gracious way to be a senior person anywhere is to do it in a way that is not noticeable by anyone.
All this grumpiness makes me sad.
I've been involved with a number of nonprofits (formal and otherwise) over the years, from grunt to board member to president, with budgets from $-infinity to $millions. Some worked better than others. Some really were not very great at all.
Anyway, I hope you guys can get back to having fun, because what I see (only through this list) is kind of off-putting and a little bit intimidating. If I was afraid of saying the wrong thing before, and not sure I'd ever want to enter the space. But i hoped that maybe an outsider's perspective might be useful. This is all I'm going to say about it. My hunch is that someone who sees this will want to respond with a curt "goodbye" and ejection from the mailing list. I can't do anything about that. I just hope that there is some hope for a chill gathering place in bicycle range of SF, not just for my own sake, but for all the people like me, and this town is full of such people...
Best
- jim
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> 1. Re: nburl.net - Noisebridge Tiny URL (Mitch Altman)
> 2. Re: Locals and Tourists: San Francisco (Mitch Altman)
> 3. Re: nburl.net - Noisebridge Tiny URL (Kelly)
> 4. Sawdust collection. (Albert Sweigart)
> 5. Project this Sunday: Rolling Ball Sculpture (Albert Sweigart)
> 6. X-10 hardware hacking (travis+ml-noisebridge at subspacefield.org)
> 7. Bartending awesomeness (Sean Cusack)
> 8. (no subject) (Sean Cusack)
> 9. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Leif Ryge)
> 10. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Sean Cusack)
> 11. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Alexander)
> 12. Re: X-10 hardware hacking (Jonathan Foote)
> 13. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Leif Ryge)
> 14. Re: X-10 hardware hacking (Christie Dudley)
> 15. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Christie Dudley)
> 16. Re: X-10 hardware hacking (Jonathan Foote)
> 17. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM [DRAMA] (Miah Johnson)
> 18. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Rachel McConnell)
> 19. Re: (no subject) ^-- SPAM (Sean Cusack)
>
> From: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> Date: June 9, 2010 12:15:11 PM PDT
> To: Miah Johnson <miah at chia-pet.org>, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> Cc: NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] nburl.net - Noisebridge Tiny URL
>
>
> Yeah, way cool idea. Thanks, Al!
>
> Please send me the password.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mitch.
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:04:27 -0700
> From: miah at chia-pet.org
> To: asweigart at gmail.com
> CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] nburl.net - Noisebridge Tiny URL
>
> This is awesome! Good work Al!!!
>
> -Miah
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> In order to make the space more newbie friendly and documented, I've
> set up a Tiny URL service for Noisebridge at nburl.net. Here's how it
> works:
>
> 1) Find some complicated piece of equipment that a person would need
> to ask someone how to use. (Such as the drill press in the dirty
> shop.)
>
> 2) Make a wiki article explaining how to operate it, along with any
> safety tips. (e.g. how to operate the drill press, where to find
> safety goggles, etc. at https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drill_press)
>
> 3) Go to nburl.net and fill out the form with the long url
> (https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drill_press) and a shortcut name
> (drillpress) and the nburl password (email me for this, since we don't
> want this open to the entire web and I don't want to post it
> publicly.)
>
> 4) Use the label maker to stick a label on it with the nburl.net
> shortcut (nburl.net/drillpress)
>
> 5) Done. Now someone sees "nburl.net/drillpress" and it will redirect
> them to the wiki.
>
> I've already put out some labels (on the dirty shop equipment, sewing
> machines, and trash cans) but I'd like help filling out the wiki
> articles:
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drill_press
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Radial_Arm_Saw
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Sewing
> etc.
>
> The web app is a bit barebones. Send me feedback.
>
> -Al
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>
>
>
> From: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> Date: June 9, 2010 12:16:34 PM PDT
> To: Eric Boyd <mrericboyd at yahoo.com>, NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>, Noisebridge-darkroom <darkroom at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Locals and Tourists: San Francisco
>
>
> The result is surprisingly beautiful.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
> --------------------
>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:33:41 -0700
> > From: mrericboyd at yahoo.com
> > To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Locals and Tourists: San Francisco
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4671581511/
> >
> > Photo density map of SF, with color coding according to time spent in
> > the city. Incredible!
> >
> > Eric
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>
>
> From: Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com>
> Date: June 9, 2010 12:16:50 PM PDT
> To: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] nburl.net - Noisebridge Tiny URL
>
>
> I too would like the password. Awesome idea Al.
>
> -K
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:15, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, way cool idea. Thanks, Al!
>>
>> Please send me the password.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Mitch.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:04:27 -0700
>> From: miah at chia-pet.org
>> To: asweigart at gmail.com
>> CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] nburl.net - Noisebridge Tiny URL
>>
>> This is awesome! Good work Al!!!
>> -Miah
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In order to make the space more newbie friendly and documented, I've
>> set up a Tiny URL service for Noisebridge at nburl.net. Here's how it
>> works:
>>
>> 1) Find some complicated piece of equipment that a person would need
>> to ask someone how to use. (Such as the drill press in the dirty
>> shop.)
>>
>> 2) Make a wiki article explaining how to operate it, along with any
>> safety tips. (e.g. how to operate the drill press, where to find
>> safety goggles, etc. at https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drill_press)
>>
>> 3) Go to nburl.net and fill out the form with the long url
>> (https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drill_press) and a shortcut name
>> (drillpress) and the nburl password (email me for this, since we don't
>> want this open to the entire web and I don't want to post it
>> publicly.)
>>
>> 4) Use the label maker to stick a label on it with the nburl.net
>> shortcut (nburl.net/drillpress)
>>
>> 5) Done. Now someone sees "nburl.net/drillpress" and it will redirect
>> them to the wiki.
>>
>> I've already put out some labels (on the dirty shop equipment, sewing
>> machines, and trash cans) but I'd like help filling out the wiki
>> articles:
>>
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drill_press
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Radial_Arm_Saw
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Sewing
>> etc.
>>
>> The web app is a bit barebones. Send me feedback.
>>
>> -Al
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
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>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
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>>
>
>
>
>
> From: Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> Date: June 9, 2010 1:02:51 PM PDT
> To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Sawdust collection.
>
>
> There was a cardboard box of sawdust in the dirty shop that was marked
> as someone collecting it for their garden. I've moved it to a plastic
> bucket with a lid, since sawdust can be a fire hazard (here's a fun 15
> second youtube video of a sawdust fire:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNsIWWT4oTE ).
>
> The plastic bucket has the same sign on it that the cardboard box did.
>
> -Al
>
>
>
>
> From: Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> Date: June 9, 2010 1:17:22 PM PDT
> To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Project this Sunday: Rolling Ball Sculpture
>
>
> This Sunday afternoonish I'm putting together a rolling ball sculpture
> out of a bunch of gaudy plastic cups my company was throwing out.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Ball_Sculpture
>
> Anyone who's up for going just email me (or just show up). There's a
> wiki page: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Rolling_Ball_Sculpture
>
> -Al
>
>
>
>
> From: travis+ml-noisebridge at subspacefield.org
> Date: June 9, 2010 1:26:10 PM PDT
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] X-10 hardware hacking
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> You may have seen X-10 home automation equipment. It's kind of
> hackish, but it's cheap. There's also an alarm system, which is quite
> cheap.
>
> I did a talk on it a LONG time ago:
> http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/x10_talk.html
>
> Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had an ideas on how to design a
> computer interface for the wireless security system. You see, they
> sell a RS-232 computer interface for the regular X-10 security
> protocol, but the wireless SECURITY modules use a completely different
> protocol, and the console will do these (and only these) in response:
>
> (a) dial a number on a hard line
> (b) sound an alarm
> (c) send regular X-10 commands to flash lights on and off
>
> At the moment, it will only call a number (up to 11 digits I think),
> repeat a message, and if you hit "0" you can listen in over the
> microphone.
>
> I was thinking that if you could tap into the circuitry somehow, you
> could interface that with a computer and make the alarm response
> rather flexible, for example:
>
> (a) silent alarm - just log to the computer
> (b) send an email
> (c) start recording video (see GNU motion)
> (d) SMS you
> (e) allow you to see and/or have a two-way dialogue with the intruder
>
> The general idea of a flexible, powerful home alarm system is
> something I've actually been thinking about for over a decade, so if
> anyone else is interested in this please let me know. I knew a guy at
> a previous job who had an AWESOME system he wrote himself in Java, but
> having worked on it for over a decade himself, I didn't feel like
> asking him to share the code.
> --
> A Weapon of Mass Construction
> My emails do not have attachments; it's a digital signature that your mail
> program doesn't understand. | http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/
> If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
>
>
>
> From: Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 2:17:20 AM PDT
> To: "<noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Bartending awesomeness
> Reply-To: sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
>
>
> Hey peeps -
>
> For anyone and everyone that came out, or invited people to come out to the Elixir fundraiser that me and Jason ran this evening, I have to give you a giant round of e-plause. The resident bartender at the bar told me that he had never seen so many people pack into Elixir for a guest bartender night, and even had to call in extra help over the course of the evening because of the number of people that attended (we were having a wicked hard time washing glassware). We got several new inquiries into Noisebridge, so hopefully we'll have some more people vising. I'm hoping we made a ton of tips (although I don't know the exact number as of yet...NB should be getting our check in 6-8 weeks on whatever we were able to raise). I'm pretty sure we destroyed the $310 limit for 50% tips and got to keep 100% of a substanital number of dollars. There were 5 pint glasses full of cash at the end of the night, and they were not even close to all ones...I picked up at least 3 $20s as tips.
>
> So anyways, thanks a lot for everyone who helped to promote this event, and thanks a bunch for everyone who came out. I will have to say that I will never give a bartender shit for taking forever to make a drink because it is f'ing difficult to keep track of all that shit from the business side of the bar. I had a blast, and I hope all of you did too.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> From: Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 8:37:35 AM PDT
> To: bardia at businesscatalyst.com, noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net, 2082868302 at tmomail.net, adoskocil at yahoo.com, alan.braem at gmail.com, alan.braem at bms.com, info at alberteve.com
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject)
> Reply-To: sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
>
>
> http://www.santoadriano.org/home.php
>
>
>
>
> From: Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us>
> Date: June 10, 2010 8:53:00 AM PDT
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
>
>
> On 06/10/2010 08:37 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
>> http://www.santoadriano.org/home.php
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
> I wasn't going to say anything about you using Noisebridge to advertise a bar, but you just sent spam to this list so now I'm going to go ahead and say WTF, man, WTF.
>
> $ for i in `seq 100`; do curl -s -I http://www.santoadriano.org/home.php|grep Location; done|sort|uniq -c|sort -rn|sed -e 's/www./www.WTF/'
> 30 Location: http://www.WTFrxpharmacytabletsguide.net
> 24 Location: http://www.WTFgreatmedsdrug.net
> 20 Location: http://www.WTFgreatmedsless.net
> 15 Location: http://www.WTFpharmacymedshealthsite.net
> 11 Location: http://www.WTFstonetabletcomputing.net
>
> My question for you: Is the first site on the list paying more for 1/3 of the redirects, or do you just have a shitty PRNG?
>
> ~leif
>
>
>
>
> From: Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 9:19:54 AM PDT
> To: Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
> Reply-To: sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
>
>
> Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I think me...err...google made it all better.
>
> We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif, you're likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right? so...tough shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> Sean
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> On 06/10/2010 08:37 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > http://www.santoadriano.org/home.php
> > _______________________________________________
> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >
> I wasn't going to say anything about you using Noisebridge to advertise
> a bar, but you just sent spam to this list so now I'm going to go ahead
> and say WTF, man, WTF.
>
> $ for i in `seq 100`; do curl -s -I
> http://www.santoadriano.org/home.php|grep Location; done|sort|uniq
> -c|sort -rn|sed -e 's/www./www.WTF/'
> 30 Location: http://www.WTFrxpharmacytabletsguide.net
> 24 Location: http://www.WTFgreatmedsdrug.net
> 20 Location: http://www.WTFgreatmedsless.net
> 15 Location: http://www.WTFpharmacymedshealthsite.net
> 11 Location: http://www.WTFstonetabletcomputing.net
>
> My question for you: Is the first site on the list paying more for 1/3
> of the redirects, or do you just have a shitty PRNG?
>
> ~leif
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
>
>
> From: Alexander <alxndr at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 9:20:58 AM PDT
> To: NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
>
>
> Anyone who speaks Spanish wanna get in touch with the city council of
> Santo Adriano and let them know their site's been hacked?
>
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org>
> Date: June 10, 2010 10:00:06 AM PDT
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] X-10 hardware hacking
>
>
> Have you busted open a unit to see what the wireless transceiver is?
>
> Chances are high it's a cheap commodity chipset like Nordic or Zigbee.
> If so, you can sniff the serial commands to the transceiver with a
> scope and roll your own with a microcontroller.
>
> I'd be interested in looking inside the box but reverse-engineering
> the protocol will likely be more labor-intensive.
>
> -J
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM,
> <travis+ml-noisebridge at subspacefield.org> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> You may have seen X-10 home automation equipment. It's kind of
>> hackish, but it's cheap. There's also an alarm system, which is quite
>> cheap.
>>
>> I did a talk on it a LONG time ago:
>> http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/x10_talk.html
>>
>> Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had an ideas on how to design a
>> computer interface for the wireless security system. You see, they
>> sell a RS-232 computer interface for the regular X-10 security
>> protocol, but the wireless SECURITY modules use a completely different
>> protocol, and the console will do these (and only these) in response:
>>
>> (a) dial a number on a hard line
>> (b) sound an alarm
>> (c) send regular X-10 commands to flash lights on and off
>>
>> At the moment, it will only call a number (up to 11 digits I think),
>> repeat a message, and if you hit "0" you can listen in over the
>> microphone.
>>
>> I was thinking that if you could tap into the circuitry somehow, you
>> could interface that with a computer and make the alarm response
>> rather flexible, for example:
>>
>> (a) silent alarm - just log to the computer
>> (b) send an email
>> (c) start recording video (see GNU motion)
>> (d) SMS you
>> (e) allow you to see and/or have a two-way dialogue with the intruder
>>
>> The general idea of a flexible, powerful home alarm system is
>> something I've actually been thinking about for over a decade, so if
>> anyone else is interested in this please let me know. I knew a guy at
>> a previous job who had an AWESOME system he wrote himself in Java, but
>> having worked on it for over a decade himself, I didn't feel like
>> asking him to share the code.
>> --
>> A Weapon of Mass Construction
>> My emails do not have attachments; it's a digital signature that your mail
>> program doesn't understand. | http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/
>> If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> From: Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:01:40 AM PDT
> To: sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
>
>
> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
>> Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I think
>> me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a pharmacy site.
>
>> We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif, you're
>> likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with
>> booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise
>> funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
>> bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right? so...tough
>> shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't
>> really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB
>> that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great; thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves, first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in. More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5% joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
>
>
>
>
> From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:08:48 AM PDT
> To: Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] X-10 hardware hacking
>
>
> Uh... X10 is an international standard for communicating amongst home automation products. I might start there:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard)
>
> There are other protocols designed specifically for home automation, like a stripped down version of Zigbee, but my money is on this one.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org> wrote:
> Have you busted open a unit to see what the wireless transceiver is?
>
> Chances are high it's a cheap commodity chipset like Nordic or Zigbee.
> If so, you can sniff the serial commands to the transceiver with a
> scope and roll your own with a microcontroller.
>
> I'd be interested in looking inside the box but reverse-engineering
> the protocol will likely be more labor-intensive.
>
> -J
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM,
> <travis+ml-noisebridge at subspacefield.org> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > You may have seen X-10 home automation equipment. It's kind of
> > hackish, but it's cheap. There's also an alarm system, which is quite
> > cheap.
> >
> > I did a talk on it a LONG time ago:
> > http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/x10_talk.html
> >
> > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had an ideas on how to design a
> > computer interface for the wireless security system. You see, they
> > sell a RS-232 computer interface for the regular X-10 security
> > protocol, but the wireless SECURITY modules use a completely different
> > protocol, and the console will do these (and only these) in response:
> >
> > (a) dial a number on a hard line
> > (b) sound an alarm
> > (c) send regular X-10 commands to flash lights on and off
> >
> > At the moment, it will only call a number (up to 11 digits I think),
> > repeat a message, and if you hit "0" you can listen in over the
> > microphone.
> >
> > I was thinking that if you could tap into the circuitry somehow, you
> > could interface that with a computer and make the alarm response
> > rather flexible, for example:
> >
> > (a) silent alarm - just log to the computer
> > (b) send an email
> > (c) start recording video (see GNU motion)
> > (d) SMS you
> > (e) allow you to see and/or have a two-way dialogue with the intruder
> >
> > The general idea of a flexible, powerful home alarm system is
> > something I've actually been thinking about for over a decade, so if
> > anyone else is interested in this please let me know. I knew a guy at
> > a previous job who had an AWESOME system he wrote himself in Java, but
> > having worked on it for over a decade himself, I didn't feel like
> > asking him to share the code.
> > --
> > A Weapon of Mass Construction
> > My emails do not have attachments; it's a digital signature that your mail
> > program doesn't understand. | http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/
> > If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
>
>
> From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:16:08 AM PDT
> To: Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
>
>
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir. After all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising. The portion that they donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler. I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their business.
>
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity, then they're actually contributing.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I think
> > me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a pharmacy site.
>
> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif, you're
> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with
> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise
> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right? so...tough
> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't
> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB
> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
> continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
> do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:36:55 AM PDT
> To: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] X-10 hardware hacking
>
>
> Hunh, that's new. Used to be proprietary (and legendarily flaky),
> though people were hacking it 30 years ago. Guess BSR went under and
> someone opened the protocol? (Unsurprising as BSR's main product
> besides the X-10 modules was... wait for it... record changers.)
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Uh... X10 is an international standard for communicating amongst home
>> automation products. I might start there:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard)
>> There are other protocols designed specifically for home automation, like a
>> stripped down version of Zigbee, but my money is on this one.
>> Christie
>> _______
>> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The
>> latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
>> hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
>> -- Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you busted open a unit to see what the wireless transceiver is?
>>>
>>> Chances are high it's a cheap commodity chipset like Nordic or Zigbee.
>>> If so, you can sniff the serial commands to the transceiver with a
>>> scope and roll your own with a microcontroller.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in looking inside the box but reverse-engineering
>>> the protocol will likely be more labor-intensive.
>>>
>>> -J
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM,
>>> <travis+ml-noisebridge at subspacefield.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> You may have seen X-10 home automation equipment. It's kind of
>>>> hackish, but it's cheap. There's also an alarm system, which is quite
>>>> cheap.
>>>>
>>>> I did a talk on it a LONG time ago:
>>>> http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/x10_talk.html
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had an ideas on how to design a
>>>> computer interface for the wireless security system. You see, they
>>>> sell a RS-232 computer interface for the regular X-10 security
>>>> protocol, but the wireless SECURITY modules use a completely different
>>>> protocol, and the console will do these (and only these) in response:
>>>>
>>>> (a) dial a number on a hard line
>>>> (b) sound an alarm
>>>> (c) send regular X-10 commands to flash lights on and off
>>>>
>>>> At the moment, it will only call a number (up to 11 digits I think),
>>>> repeat a message, and if you hit "0" you can listen in over the
>>>> microphone.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking that if you could tap into the circuitry somehow, you
>>>> could interface that with a computer and make the alarm response
>>>> rather flexible, for example:
>>>>
>>>> (a) silent alarm - just log to the computer
>>>> (b) send an email
>>>> (c) start recording video (see GNU motion)
>>>> (d) SMS you
>>>> (e) allow you to see and/or have a two-way dialogue with the intruder
>>>>
>>>> The general idea of a flexible, powerful home alarm system is
>>>> something I've actually been thinking about for over a decade, so if
>>>> anyone else is interested in this please let me know. I knew a guy at
>>>> a previous job who had an AWESOME system he wrote himself in Java, but
>>>> having worked on it for over a decade himself, I didn't feel like
>>>> asking him to share the code.
>>>> --
>>>> A Weapon of Mass Construction
>>>> My emails do not have attachments; it's a digital signature that your
>>>> mail
>>>> program doesn't understand. | http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/
>>>> If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get
>>>> blacklisted.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>>>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> From: Miah Johnson <miah at chia-pet.org>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:42:16 AM PDT
> To: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM [DRAMA]
>
>
> FTFY.
>
> -Miah
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir. After all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising. The portion that they donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler. I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their business.
>
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity, then they're actually contributing.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I think
> > me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a pharmacy site.
>
> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif, you're
> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with
> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise
> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right? so...tough
> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't
> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB
> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
> continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
> do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:50:35 AM PDT
> To: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
>
>
> I don't see why we care if Elixir makes more or less money. Elixir and
> Noisebridge are not a zero-sum game. I do appreciate that the
> bartender(s) there are donating some of their tips to Noisebridge. The
> net effect to NB is, more money; what's the downside? Lighten up people.
>
> Rachel
>
> Christie Dudley wrote:
>> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear that the
>> intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir.
>> After all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so
>> you effectively gave them free advertising. The portion that they
>> donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they would not have seen
>> anyway - tips.
>>
>> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I
>> would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler. I will
>> say that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a
>> drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the
>> community in this fashion to increase their business.
>>
>> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity,
>> then they're actually contributing.
>>
>> Christie
>> _______
>> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
>> The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
>> to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
>> intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us
>> <mailto:leif at synthesize.us>> wrote:
>>
>> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
>>> Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list
>> - I think
>>> me...err...google made it all better.
>>
>> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
>> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
>> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
>> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>>
>> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
>> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a
>> pharmacy site.
>>
>>> We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right?
>> Leif, you're
>>> likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff
>> with
>>> booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to
>> raise
>>> funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
>>> bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right?
>> so...tough
>>> shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point
>> wasn't
>>> really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money
>> for NB
>>> that happened to take place at a bar.
>>
>> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
>> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
>> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
>> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
>> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
>> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
>> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
>> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
>> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
>> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
>> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
>> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
>> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>>
>> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
>> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
>> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
>> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
>> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
>> continue this practice.
>>
>> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
>> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
>> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
>> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
>> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
>> do think we should shop around).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~leif
>>
>> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> <mailto:Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
>
>
> From: Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
> Date: June 10, 2010 11:52:16 AM PDT
> To: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
> Reply-To: sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
>
>
> Google had a sweet little self correcting mechanism that swooped in to auto-disable my account and force a password change after the first bolus of e-mails went out, so the problem got stopped pretty fast. The e-mails that are out there still suck, but at least no more will go out from my e-mail addy. Cool? Yes. Skynet-ish? Likely :) - put on the tin foil hats!
>
> I hear what both of you are saying, but I don't think its really a super sinister move on Elixir's part just to try and get more business. Although their motive could be solely for bar owner profit (hard to say since I don't personally know them or anything), I kind of think the end result is universally beneficially. Yes, the bar gets some free advertising and a lot of free labor from an inside man (me), but that happens all the time - Noisebridge gets free advertising and free labor out of me too. Yes, an unaffiliated third party makes more money that night. But in addition to the bar making more money, the bartender on staff probably also makes more than they normally would in tips, and a group that would typically make $0 from people drinking at a bar (NB), gets money. Isn't that by definition a symbiotic relationship? Everyone is helping everyone else.
>
> Also, I think the advantage of breaking out into a different donation mode every once and a while is that you get a different crowd donating into your cause. A prime example: a lot of people that helped make our bay to breakers outfits at Noisebridge showed up and tipped their guts out. I agree that maybe it would be better if they gave directly to Noisebridge, but even though they may love and support the space, its just not their bag to give cash directly. They *want* to support the space, but they also want to do it in their own way. A banner ad is very impersonal - people clicking clearly don't care if you make cash, and they don't care about your cause. It seemed really obvious from behind the bar that most people at Elixir last night really did care about NB or else they wouldn't have been cool with putting up with some slow and shoddy service for basic drinks (from me!).
>
> Anyways, its my $0.02. Leif - we're totally on for beer! I'm out of town this weekend, but will be in shortly thereafter -
> Sean
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir. After all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising. The portion that they donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler. I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their business.
>
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity, then they're actually contributing.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I think
> > me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a pharmacy site.
>
> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif, you're
> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with
> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise
> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right? so...tough
> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't
> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB
> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
> continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
> do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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