[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal: Discounted full-year dues
jim
jim at well.com
Wed Jun 16 21:40:28 UTC 2010
that's a good idea, seems to me.
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 14:31 -0700, Miah Johnson wrote:
> If we're going to mention additional products (and those that we may
> work for). I'm pretty sure Noisebridge could qualify for access to a
> limited Salesforce interface through Salesforce Foundation. The
> Non-Profit pack covers things like donations and recurring donations,
> members, fundraisers etc.
>
>
> http://www.salesforcefoundation.org/
> http://foundation.force.com/products_donation_eligibility
> http://wiki.developerforce.com/index.php/Nonprofit_Starter_Pack
>
>
> FWIW, I believe we are not using one of these external interfaces
> because people have concerns regarding data privacy and, lists of
> members.
>
>
> Though I personally am a fan of 'less stuff to manage' and it seems
> like adding accounting software to the infrastructure at Noisebridge
> would require a bit of work (server,database,backup,security).
>
>
> Additionally, I've mentioned before that NB could use me a bit and get
> ~$500/yr out of my company (Dollars for Doers
> - http://www.salesforcefoundation.org/volunteers/grants).
>
>
> We talk about fundraising and money problems, but nobody seems to be
> focused enough to make it happen. Do-ocracy and all that. I'm
> personally not motivated enough to make it all happen. I'm much better
> at doing things people have asked me to do so getting 50hours of work
> out of me in a year at Noisebridge wouldn't be too hard. I've done
> plenty of work at Noisebridge and could do more. I wonder how many
> other people going to Noisebridge have similar programs that could be
> taken advantage of. After my initial mention of this months back at
> 83c nobody has ever approached me regarding it.
>
>
> What I'm saying here is: I'd like to help, but somebody needs to drive
> things.
>
>
> -Miah
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:40 PM, aestetix aestetix
> <aestetix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are we actually in the red?
> >
> > There's a big difference between not having a few months
> wiggleroom, and
> > having our checks bounce.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Rachel McConnell
> <rachel at xtreme.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> oooh I had no idea! yeah i'll get in touch with them right
> away. i did
> >> search various open source repos and found nothing
> useful...
> >>
> >> Christie Dudley wrote:
> >> > Katie from Hacker Dojo was mentioning they'd put together
> a complete
> >> > open source package for managing things, including
> payment tracking and
> >> > so forth that they're interested in sharing. It might
> not be a bad
> >> > idea, and foster a bit of goodwill if we at least had a
> look at that,
> >> > don't you think?
> >> >
> >> > The problem may already be solved for us.
> >> >
> >> > Christie
> >> > _______
> >> > "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
> mediocrities.
> >> > The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
> thoughtlessly submit
> >> > to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously
> uses his
> >> > intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Rachel McConnell
> <rachel at xtreme.com
> >> > <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's all done by hand right now, there's no
> automation. I mean the
> >> > bank
> >> > account (and paypal, etc) tracks that $X has shown
> up, but there
> >> > isn't
> >> > any system to associate it with a particular member.
> Sometimes a
> >> > payment comes with a note; if it's a check you have
> to go look at
> >> > the
> >> > name on the check, etc.
> >> >
> >> > jim wrote:
> >> > > Y'all have reminded me of payment, so there must
> >> > > be some tracking in place, yes?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0700, Rachel McConnell
> wrote:
> >> > >> I like this in theory but in practice it would be
> folly to
> >> > officially
> >> > >> promote it until we have an accounting system that
> can support
> >> > it.
> >> > >> Already we don't know who is paid up and who
> isn't; work is
> >> > underway on
> >> > >> a system to manage this but let's get it working
> first before we
> >> > make
> >> > >> massive changes to it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Rachel
> >> > >>
> >> > >> jim wrote:
> >> > >>> (seems like a discussion of policy.)
> >> > >>> per the proposal and the points:
> >> > >>> * how much to discount for a one year pre-payment
> seems
> >> > >>> the difficult part: too little and no one goes
> for it;
> >> > >>> too big and we miss out on possible income;
> variable
> >> > >>> (maybe within some limits, hoping for generosity)
> may
> >> > >>> work....
> >> > >>> * if we don't have a "real accounting system", as
> long
> >> > >>> as we can track payments with respect to members,
> this
> >> > >>> seems a non-issue. for example, i pay by the
> quarter
> >> > >>> and haven't had any problems. if a payment is
> recorded
> >> > >>> as income for the current month, is there a tax
> >> > >>> implication?
> >> > >>> * we should certainly try to help our current
> cash
> >> > >>> crunch"; the overall downward trend scares me.
> >> > >>> * grabbing a year's supply of money may help the
> >> > >>> initially excited retain their interest over a
> longer
> >> > >>> time period, which seems an additional value.
> >> > >>> * i'm not convinced of your arithmetic, but
> certainly
> >> > >>> money today is worth a fair amount more than
> money
> >> > >>> some later day, especially if there's some
> question
> >> > >>> about getting money on those later days. a real
> >> > >>> answer to this might help settle the discount
> problem.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:49 -0700, Shannon Lee
> wrote:
> >> > >>>> Hi All,
> >> > >>>> This idea has been brought up at several
> meetings now and no
> >> > >>>> satisfactory resolution reached, so obviously
> it's time to
> >> > expand the
> >> > >>>> conversation!
> >> > >>>> The specific proposal brought up last night was
> this:
> >> > >>>> If you pay your dues a year at a time, you can
> knock $20 off.
> >> > Or one
> >> > >>>> month's dues off. Or some amount of money.
> >> > >>>> Many perspectives were voiced on this. I think
> it's a good
> >> > idea;
> >> > >>>> others disagreed, primarily because, as we do
> not have a real
> >> > >>>> accounting system, this amounts to counting a
> year's dues as
> >> > this
> >> > >>>> month's revenue.
> >> > >>>> Again, I think this is a good idea, for the
> following reasons:
> >> > >>>> * it could help with our current cash cruch
> >> > >>>> * it means that people who get very excited
> about noisebridge
> >> > for just
> >> > >>>> long enough to be members and then never show up
> again have the
> >> > >>>> opportunity to pay a whole year's membership
> upfront
> >> > >>>> * the economic value of a bird in one's hand is
> double that of
> >> > a bird
> >> > >>>> in a bush
> >> > >>>> Thoughts?
> >> > >>>> --
> >> > >>>> Shannon Lee
> >> > >>>> (503) 539-3700
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is
> indistinguishable from
> >> > science."
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> FYI there are two other software solutions that could do
> this. One is
> Freshbooks. It is for accounting and the other is
> OfficeDrop. You
> can scan and upload your documents to officedrop and link them
> to
> freshbooks statements. I happen to work for the latter but
> this is
> exactly one of our use cases. We convert stuff into text
> searchable
> PDFS. We also provide a web interface for searching them. We
> accept
> documents via email, our web interface or physically sending
> them in.
> We do have a FREE offering that might be exactly what
> Noisebridge
> wants since you guys prolly have a scanner SOMEWHERE there. I
> don't
> know much about the freshbooks side of things but this could
> link both
> the physical piece of paper, paypal email or whatnot to a
> statement in
> your account.
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