[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Executive Director

jim jim at well.com
Mon Mar 1 02:35:39 UTC 2010



* i know mitch and think he'd be fine. 
* i don't know mikolaj, at least not to associate the 
name with a person (i'm bad at that generally). 
* i hadn't know lief was a candidate. i believe i 
know him well enough to judge: i think he'd be fine. 

please name any other candidates. 



On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 15:39 -0800, Christie Dudley wrote:
> What about the other candidates?
> 
> 
> Who has thoughts on Mikolaj?
> 
> 
> Who has thoughts on Lief?
> 
> 
> Why aren't we talking about anyone but Mitch?
> 
> 
> Christie
> _______
> "We also briefly discussed having officers replaced by very small
> shell scripts." -- Noisebridge meeting notes 2008-06-17
> 
> The outer bounds is only the beginning.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> wrote:
>         Christie, here are some thoughts I had regarding your position
>         on Mitch
>         as ED.
>         
>         I understand why you would object to an 'absentee' ED.  I
>         posit to you
>         that there are significant benefits as well.  Noisebridge has
>         an
>         extraordinarily rich interaction with other hackerspaces (and
>         generally
>         cool people) *worldwide*, due primarily to our roving
>         ambassadors, Jake
>         and Mitch.  We've got relationships with hackers not only in
>         Chicago,
>         Toronto, Atlanta, etc in North America, but also in Germany
>         and Japan,
>         and probably others I'm not yet aware of.
>         
>         Have you asked Mitch if his schedule will continue to be that
>         he's gone
>         a great deal of the time?  It may be that he'll be around more
>         in 2010,
>         which would allow him to keep more abreast of the activities
>         of the
>         organization.
>         
>         To address your issue further: regarding keeping abreast of
>         the ongoing
>         needs of the organization, we've been pretty clear that this
>         is not
>         actually the business of the ED, but of the members.  The ED
>         is *not*
>         our leader.  I believe you might respond to this that the ED
>         is
>         perceived as such by outsiders, and I would respond to that
>         with, how
>         does that cause a problem for us?
>         
>         Rachel
>         
>         
>         Christie Dudley wrote:
>         > My issues with Mitch are fairly minor.  I think he's a great
>         person, but
>         > he's not terribly involved in the immediate Noisebridge
>         community.  He's
>         > just not around much and doesn't keep abreast of the breadth
>         of totally
>         > excellent things going on at Noisebridge, or the ongoing
>         needs of the
>         > organization.
>         >
>         > In addition to the 'representational' part that Vlad brought
>         up (can he
>         > represent us well if he doesn't know us well?) It is the
>         ED's job to
>         > call the board meetings, set the agenda and preside.  I
>         think Rachel has
>         > been doing a fine job of this so far, but it's not her job.
>          (Legally,
>         > according to the bylaws)  I'd really like to see an ED who
>         can do the
>         > job, who understands when board meetings are needed and will
>         make that
>         > happen.
>         >
>         > I think Mitch could do a fair job of muddling through if
>         there were no
>         > other candidates.  But there are other candidates who are
>         much more
>         > capable of doing a good job with what little is required of
>         them.  It
>         > appalls me that we have to have the choice of the board as
>         our only
>         > option, especially when it's not the best one.
>         >
>         > I don't understand why this discussion keeps coming back to
>         Mitch/Not
>         > Mitch.  I thought it was the will of the members to decide
>         who.  Why are
>         > we not comparing Mitch/Mikolaj/whoever?  This false
>         dichotomy is killing
>         > serious consideration of the candidates.
>         >
>         > We already decided at the meeting this coming week that we
>         would *not*
>         > try to form a consensus on the candidates for ED, but rather
>         narrow it
>         > down to one to consense on next week.  WHY do we keep coming
>         back to
>         > this whole false dichotomy?
>         >
>         > Christie
>         > _______
>         > "We also briefly discussed having officers replaced by very
>         small shell
>         > scripts." -- Noisebridge meeting notes 2008-06-17
>         >
>         > The outer bounds is only the beginning.
>         > http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/
>         >
>         >
>         > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ani Niow
>         <v at oneletterwonder.com
>         
>         > <mailto:v at oneletterwonder.com>> wrote:
>         >
>         >     I would like to formally re-nominate Mitch for the
>         position of the
>         >     Executive Director of Noisebridge.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >     -Ani
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >     On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Jeffrey Malone
>         
>         >     <ieatlint at tehinterweb.com
>         <mailto:ieatlint at tehinterweb.com>> wrote:
>         >
>         >         On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Sai Emrys
>         
>         >         <noisebridge at saizai.com
>         <mailto:noisebridge at saizai.com>> wrote:
>         >         > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andy Isaacson
>         
>         
>         >         <adi at hexapodia.org <mailto:adi at hexapodia.org>>
>         wrote:
>         >         >> We currently have all of these things.  AFAIK,
>         until the
>         >         board appoints
>         >         >> a new ED, Jake continues in his appointment from
>         last year.
>         >         >
>         >         > That's my reading as well. Officers serve until
>         replaced; Board
>         >         > members have terms of office.
>         >         >
>         >
>         >         Actually, you have that kind of backwards.
>         >         Both have terms -- 1 year.  Board members remain in
>         office until
>         >         they
>         >         are replaced.
>         >         There is no such clause for officers.  Our bylaws
>         state that
>         >         they must
>         >         be appointed annually, and as the year ran up at the
>         beginning of
>         >         October, so did the term for all three officer
>         positions.
>         >
>         >         Noisebridge has been without an ED since October.
>          This has been
>         >         stated at a board meeting and a general meeting.
>         >         In fact, two board members even tried to simply
>         appoint an ED at the
>         >         last board meeting to "fix" this.  They even planned
>         to do so
>         >         without
>         >         consulting the members before conceding to
>         objections that while the
>         >         legal authority exists for them to do that, it runs
>         completely
>         >         against
>         >         Noisebridge policy.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         In general, I would like to thank all of you for
>         turning this into a
>         >         discussion about what people feel the ED is, and
>         absolutely
>         >         nothing to
>         >         do with actually selecting a new one.
>         >         You might argue that you feel defining the role is
>         the same thing.
>         >         It's not -- who it is, and what they will be doing
>         are two different
>         >         controversial subjects.  Intertwining them has, as
>         best I can tell,
>         >         resulted in absolutely no progress on either side.
>         >
>         >         So any chance this can get back on topic to its
>         original intent of
>         >         nominating people for the ED?  Or should I simply
>         give up?
>         >
>         >         Jeffrey
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