[Noisebridge-discuss] google war driving

[joel jaeggli]

On 4/30/2010 4:11 PM, karen marcelo wrote:
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> the point is privacy rights are eroding thru time.

I was rather peeved that the clinton administration engaged in the 
largest erosion of civil liberties since the second world war, but then 
there was the bush administration...

Privacy as a right is in fact not something found in our constitution. 
it is found in some others, example "the european convention on human 
rights". freedom from intervention by the state or others is generally 
derived either from due process rights, or equal protection.

we (as in the united states) have steadily enacted laws that protect 
certain kinds of private information. either by restricting the scope of 
the people authorized to handle it (hippa ferpa etc)or simply by 
forbidding actions that would result from private knowledge example 
Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, which attempts to preclude 
problem resulting from knowledge asymmetry, conditions that would result 
in market failure (example the inability to buy indivual health 
insurance due to a pre-existing condition), or civil rights violations 
rather than to preclude the retention and distribution of such data.

>  laws arent keeping up with new devices.  people themselves arent aware
> of these laws or choose not to excercise them because we all want our apps.  and there's lots of if a is doing it and so is b why cant c
> logic going around.

it's not clear to me what value is retained by say forbidding the 
collection of broadcast mac addresses (notwithstanding that collecting 
them is one of the basic functions of all devices that use them).

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