[Noisebridge-discuss] [hackerspaces] [drama] lunar calendar recommendations?

[Davidfine]

Hi folks. I have added the [drama] tag to this thread. 
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Drama
Please keep the tag in future replies if there are any. Thanks for helping me color-code
my inbox!
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On 12/27/11 10:23 PM, ryan rawson wrote:
> I dont think the scientific method is optional. Saying we don't need a theory-evidence-repeatability cycle is absurd. Of course not everything in our personal lives must be according to this, but in a greater view it isn't optional. 
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> I went to a church recently. There is a lot of space for people who want to believe things for no reason. I think that noisebridge is more of a church for science if you will. Not really a church since we dont expect people to believe things without proof. 
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> The moon calendar is interesting. But don't pretend you are rigorously discovering universal truth. Confirmation bias is extremely powerful. 
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> Good luck though. 
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> On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:46 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Look I'm really sorry but I feel from your approach that you do want to ignore large part of spectrum and it is not a high morale but this feeling which is just telling me not to waste my time. I've explained my approach and my stand to a degree which I believe is sufficient for people who want to understand. Scientific methods are handy and they can get you answers in various disciplines, no question about that I've good background in this. There are however fields of life where science fail to deliver and I think that it will fail to deliver for a long term and I believe and have experience that there are another systems which do well instead. However not for everyone. It may sounds like an exclusion and it actually is but most of the time by the person who doesn't want to hear it or use it. If you like to have an example from my life I do not think that you can explain for example various "levels/types of telepathy" based on todays knowledge. It is highly likely that you can not prove the existence of this phenomena and how it works, at least not based on what we know today or for example fifty years ago. The only way how to explain it is to the another person is if he or she is also mind reader or at least receiver. You may be able to guide the other person if there is a gift, will and eagerness to learn to develop further. If however the person doesn't want to believe on the telepathy on the first place, or doesn't have skill or determination why should you bother to convince the other person that telepathy exists and function? You can use it and you can teach people who want to learn and have abilities and you can use it together. Or not however you like. But explain it, prove it to someone without given gift? I think that this is the best answer which I can give you and it is just as one of the many examples. I'm quite sure that you will not like it but that is not really my problem because I just do not need to prove it, if it works for me.
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>> Well lovely conversation but I really need to finish it because I got the info about what I asked on the first place concerning lunar calendar and much more, now I need to keep going on my projects.
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>> Sincerely,
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>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi
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>> From: Gopiballava Flaherty <gopiballava at gmail.com>
>> To: Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [hackerspaces] lunar calendar recommendations?
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>> On Dec 27, 2011, at 19:40, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> I think Gopiballava that each of your questions is already answer.
>> Answered by you, or answered somewhere on the Internet? I'll bet that every single question I asked of you has been answered in multiple contradictory ways by other people. 
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>> I wanted to hear your answers because you claimed to believe in the scientific method and you also believe in things that, to the best of my knowledge, have little to no evidence. 
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>>> You do not want to hear or understand what I'm talking about and it is fine with me, sorry
>> I do understand. I also *disagree* with you, at least with regards to the specific examples you have given. 
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>> To pick one example, I believe you suggested there were increased psychiatric incidents around the full moon. This is something that has actually been investigated and found to not be true. 
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>>> I just do not want to waste my time to talk to someone who is determined not to listen, I do not have a reason for that.
>> You are of course under no obligation to answer any of my questions or speak to me at all. I do think that it is rather rude to take a faux moral high road and pretend it is because I'm not listening. I am listening. I just don't agree. 
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