[Noisebridge-discuss] Patrick being banned

[Jason Dusek]

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 02:15, Rikke Rasmussen
<rikke.c.rasmussen at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is painfully clear that I have failed in my stated mission
> to pour water rather than gasoline on this fire.

  Unfortunately, fires at Noisebridge burn very hot. Very hot
  fires can even burn water...

    http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06107.htm

  A lesson many of us at Noisebridge have learned the hard way.

> Last, but not least: VonGuard, it is very difficult for me to
> keep a level tone with you, so forgive me if I come across as
> a little sharp. I find you extremely rude and condescending,
> and would like to make it absolutely clear that I do not
> appreciate being told to trust you, your friends, the
> membership, Santa Claus or anyone else for any of the
> following reasons:
>
> - other people agree with you (lots of people can be wrong)
> - you know what's best for me (and everyone else)
> - you had no other choice (or no other sound argument)
> - you have information that I don't (but you won't share)
> - you've told me to more than once

  I have to second you on this. The approach taken by Alex Handy
  at times makes this all seem less credible than it is. It's
  true that, in throwing in with everyone at the meeting last
  night -- indeed, in proposing the letter be sent that evening
  -- I was accepting a certain need for the membership to bear
  with us for a little bit while we got our shit together. I
  guess I thought we all had the same spirit about this; it is
  certainly not appropriate to demand that the membership just
  trust and be silent.

> The fact that you take offence that I would cast doubt on the
> legitimacy of the course of do-ocratic action here only makes
> me all the more convinced that I'm right to do so.

  I second this as well. Your emails really do prod us all to
  hold ourselves to a higher standard. I hope that your
  influence will continue to be felt for some time.

> I am on my way to Noisebridge, and will spend the evening
> familiarizing myself with whatever material is available.

  I have some documents now but they're not ready to release
  yet.

> Look forward to continuing the constructive debate of how to
> handle this sort of thing in the future.

  This is a diplomatic and optimistic note that I hope others
  will emulate.

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Jason Dusek
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