[Noisebridge-discuss] lockers for noisebridge - big enough? funding?

jim jim at systemateka.com
Thu Feb 17 14:22:45 UTC 2011

    i agree. i don't get any of the arguments against. 
if somebody wants to lock their stuff, so what? if 
there's a door that hides the stuff, so what? 
    seems to me we're best off concentrating on things 
we like to do and letting others do whatever they like 
to do without passing judgements. 
    thumbs up for lockers, with thanks. 

On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 01:00 -0800, Sean Cusack wrote:
> I dunno - I kinda think storage in general is a good thing, no? Some
> of the proposed scenarios for how the locker system could
> theoretically be abused sound a little FUD-dy and probably kind of
> unrealistic. Not saying it can't or it won't happen, but its super
> unlikely IMO.
> Also, if you really don't like what someone has in their locker, or
> could have in their locker, or what someone has forgotten to take out
> of their locker, we've got a dremel in the space with some cutting
> wheels (as well as a lock picking meetup) - so have at it! If peeps
> don't like the outside of the lockers being opaque, why not just
> "hack" the fronts of them with acrylic panels? If people don't like
> locks, how about plugging the lock hole with something? I'm sure the
> lockers would eventually get hacked in a way that would make everyone
> in the space like using them (you know...kind of like everything else
> we have).
> I think lockers are probably a good idea, especially since it sounds
> like Patrick is nice enough to front the coinage. No cost to NB, no
> cost to members, potential benefit for all. *thumbs up*.
> Sean
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>         On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Patrick Keys
>         <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
>                 The lockers would be opaque.  I think everybody at
>                 Noisebridge values
>                 their right of anonymity.  Not worrying about other
>                 people seeing what's
>                 on your personal shelf or messing with it seems like a
>                 benefit.
>         What do people want to store at noisebridge that they really
>         need to keep hidden, which can't be stored on a harddrive?
>         That's kind of worrisome.
>         Maybe an open, public space is not the best place to keep
>         private, personal possessions. -- People need to keep their
>         tools and whatknot for hacking in the space, but need they be
>         SECRET? If you're going to use it in the space, where it will
>         be seen by everyone, why does it have to be STORED in secrecy?
>         -- And if it's not going to be used in the space, why is it
>         there, taking up space in a locker?
>         Plus, this is about right to privacy, not anonymity -- a shelf
>         is anonymous but not private, unless you put your name on your
>         belongings (or someone dusts for fingerprints and has a copy
>         of yours to match; DNA TESTS!!). If you don't believe me, just
>         look at the fact that there are constantly tons of possessions
>         swirling around the space whose owners are unknown, sometimes
>         resulting to e-mails asking who has borrowed their stuff, even
>         though everything is in plain view. This is very much not
>         about valuing peoples anonymity and more about concern that
>         people are doing secret things in an open space. You won't
>         necessarily reveal someone's secret identity by stealing their
>         wire cutters or PS2.
>         I don't think anyone has a guarantee of privacy at noisebridge
>         -- if you are there, someone will drop by and look over your
>         shoulder and ask what's going on, because that's why you are
>         there (to have people talk to you and get an excuse to talk
>         about your project). Lockers wouldn't really guarantee privacy
>         unless everyone TRUSTED the person using the locker. We only
>         have what privacy we do when people are considerate AND trust
>         we are not doing something unsavory; but if people were
>         concerned someone was storing something unsavory in a locker,
>         it wouldn't be long before someone picked the lock or forced
>         it open just to be safe.
>         Most importantly, to me, locked lockers would make me feel
>         less safe because suddenly part of the open space is not open.
>         I feel safe at noisebridge because EVERYTHING is open (save
>         the bathrooms, for ~15 minutes at a time), and anything bad
>         that could happen to someone or anything unsafe which would be
>         stored could be found by the community, as people eventually
>         wade through the piles and piles of junk.
>         (To be honest, you're probably guaranteed a good amount of
>         privacy if you leave something under a pile of junk and people
>         are too APATHETIC to check -- but it still gives people the
>         option of securing their own surroundings and safety.)
>         Plus, people tend to leave a lot of crap at the space and
>         never throw it out, so periodically the locks would just have
>         to be broken so the contents could be tossed as the lockers
>         just give people a chance to exercise even more of their
>         packrat tendencies.
>         You know, if anything, I would describe noisebridge as a hole
>         for packrats >_> maybe giving people the chance to store even
>         MORE things at the space is the opposite of what the community
>         needs. I feel like half of the space is already consumed by
>         objects: the members' shelves area, the area behind those
>         shelves (is that more members' shelves?), the entire wall with
>         the windows facing Mission St., the full wall of bikes, the
>         construction things in the kitchen, more shelves in the
>         not-Turing classroom, stuff by the tea room storing things for
>         the kitchen (because right beside the kitchen is storing
>         construction things).... Now that I think about it, where the
>         hell are these lockers going to stand among all this other
>         stuff?
>         Of course, it's been a month or so since I've been in the
>         space, so maybe some of this is cleared up or organized by now
>         (hahaha yeah right, I will buy everyone BEER* if you can make
>         me eat those words).
>         *Not guaranteed to be expensive or good-tasting beer. I'm on a
>         budget.
>         -- 
>         -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
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