[Noisebridge-discuss] lockers for noisebridge - big enough? funding?
jim
jim at well.com
Thu Feb 17 14:27:38 UTC 2011
i don't think so. what people do with their money
is their business, and best to keep things that way
in general. we did have build-out discussions before
the move to 2169 and agreed how to spend money for
setting up the space, but there have been a variety
of little projects for which some of us have spent
money and time since then. Patrick is not asking
Noisebridge to pay him back out of general funds;
he's asking if others are willing to chip in too, to
help him with the expense of the improvement.
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 01:40 -0800, girlgeek at wt.net wrote:
> Money is finite. Money that people have available to donate is finite.
> If Patrick wants to be paid back for the lockers then that is money
> that will not be going into other Noisebridge uses. Is the consensus
> that lockers are a high enough priority that we want money to be
> funneled towards them? That is an item for a consensus discussion.
> -Claudia
>
>
> --- sean.p.cusack at gmail.com wrote:
>
> From: Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
> To: Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] lockers for noisebridge - big
> enough? funding?
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:00:23 -0800
>
> I dunno - I kinda think storage in general is a good thing, no? Some
> of the proposed scenarios for how the locker system could
> theoretically be abused sound a little FUD-dy and probably kind of
> unrealistic. Not saying it can't or it won't happen, but its super
> unlikely IMO.
>
> Also, if you really don't like what someone has in their locker, or
> could have in their locker, or what someone has forgotten to take out
> of their locker, we've got a dremel in the space with some cutting
> wheels (as well as a lock picking meetup) - so have at it! If peeps
> don't like the outside of the lockers being opaque, why not just
> "hack" the fronts of them with acrylic panels? If people don't like
> locks, how about plugging the lock hole with something? I'm sure the
> lockers would eventually get hacked in a way that would make everyone
> in the space like using them (you know...kind of like everything else
> we have).
>
> I think lockers are probably a good idea, especially since it sounds
> like Patrick is nice enough to front the coinage. No cost to NB, no
> cost to members, potential benefit for all. *thumbs up*.
>
> Sean
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Patrick Keys
> <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> The lockers would be opaque. I think everybody at
> Noisebridge values
> their right of anonymity. Not worrying about other
> people seeing what's
> on your personal shelf or messing with it seems like a
> benefit.
>
>
>
> What do people want to store at noisebridge that they really
> need to keep hidden, which can't be stored on a harddrive?
> That's kind of worrisome.
>
> Maybe an open, public space is not the best place to keep
> private, personal possessions. -- People need to keep their
> tools and whatknot for hacking in the space, but need they be
> SECRET? If you're going to use it in the space, where it will
> be seen by everyone, why does it have to be STORED in secrecy?
> -- And if it's not going to be used in the space, why is it
> there, taking up space in a locker?
>
> Plus, this is about right to privacy, not anonymity -- a shelf
> is anonymous but not private, unless you put your name on your
> belongings (or someone dusts for fingerprints and has a copy
> of yours to match; DNA TESTS!!). If you don't believe me, just
> look at the fact that there are constantly tons of possessions
> swirling around the space whose owners are unknown, sometimes
> resulting to e-mails asking who has borrowed their stuff, even
> though everything is in plain view. This is very much not
> about valuing peoples anonymity and more about concern that
> people are doing secret things in an open space. You won't
> necessarily reveal someone's secret identity by stealing their
> wire cutters or PS2.
>
> I don't think anyone has a guarantee of privacy at noisebridge
> -- if you are there, someone will drop by and look over your
> shoulder and ask what's going on, because that's why you are
> there (to have people talk to you and get an excuse to talk
> about your project). Lockers wouldn't really guarantee privacy
> unless everyone TRUSTED the person using the locker. We only
> have what privacy we do when people are considerate AND trust
> we are not doing something unsavory; but if people were
> concerned someone was storing something unsavory in a locker,
> it wouldn't be long before someone picked the lock or forced
> it open just to be safe.
>
> Most importantly, to me, locked lockers would make me feel
> less safe because suddenly part of the open space is not open.
> I feel safe at noisebridge because EVERYTHING is open (save
> the bathrooms, for ~15 minutes at a time), and anything bad
> that could happen to someone or anything unsafe which would be
> stored could be found by the community, as people eventually
> wade through the piles and piles of junk.
>
> (To be honest, you're probably guaranteed a good amount of
> privacy if you leave something under a pile of junk and people
> are too APATHETIC to check -- but it still gives people the
> option of securing their own surroundings and safety.)
>
>
> Plus, people tend to leave a lot of crap at the space and
> never throw it out, so periodically the locks would just have
> to be broken so the contents could be tossed as the lockers
> just give people a chance to exercise even more of their
> packrat tendencies.
>
>
> You know, if anything, I would describe noisebridge as a hole
> for packrats >_> maybe giving people the chance to store even
> MORE things at the space is the opposite of what the community
> needs. I feel like half of the space is already consumed by
> objects: the members' shelves area, the area behind those
> shelves (is that more members' shelves?), the entire wall with
> the windows facing Mission St., the full wall of bikes, the
> construction things in the kitchen, more shelves in the
> not-Turing classroom, stuff by the tea room storing things for
> the kitchen (because right beside the kitchen is storing
> construction things).... Now that I think about it, where the
> hell are these lockers going to stand among all this other
> stuff?
>
>
> Of course, it's been a month or so since I've been in the
> space, so maybe some of this is cleared up or organized by now
> (hahaha yeah right, I will buy everyone BEER* if you can make
> me eat those words).
>
> *Not guaranteed to be expensive or good-tasting beer. I'm on a
> budget.
>
> --
> -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
>
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