[Noisebridge-discuss] common courtesy: logging into wiki / not editing user pages

[Gian Pablo Villamil]

I think it might be helpful if you approached Noisebridge more like a
tool and less like a project.

If you actually start doing more projects (that don't involve
fixing/changing Noisebridge), then you will have a better idea of what
a more fun and effective Noisebridge actually is. Eg. don't ask "what
would make NB a better event venue", just go ahead and organize an
event, and then compare notes with others who have, and THEN make
changes.

When proposing things, consider first whether they help or hinder
people's ability to do cool projects. If they're not really relevant,
then they're not worth bringing up. Eg. I don't think anyone has
identified lack of lockers as an issue that is preventing cool stuff
from happening.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> Whenever I say, "why doesn't Noisebridge..." I'm:
> * trying to avoid unnecessary conflict.  Like the drama with the
> lockers. (Fact: Every nearby hackerspace already has lockers.)
> * asking if anybody has a better idea,
> * asking "does anybody want to work with me on this?"
>
> I think that many people at Noisebridge interpret do-ocracy to mean "do
> every-damn-thing absolutely by yourself".  I am not one of those people.
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 2/20/2011 7:26 PM, Dr. Jesus wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Patrick Keys<citizenkeys at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> *sigh*
>>> Please... I encourage you for the sake of Noisebridge (and the women)
>>> not to create drama.  But if you really want to make an issue of my
>>> so-called "unsolicited sexual advances", then at least I can take
>>> comfort in a healthy sex life and healthy attraction to women.  I'm
>>> leaving this topic at that so as not to gossip.  Just leave it at that.
>>>
>>> AS for taking credit, quit the opposite.  You got me all wrong.  I
>>> didn't take credit for anything.  So stop saying that I did.  I added a
>>> list to my personal userpage for my own reference.  Of all things, you
>>> really want to argue about... the bathrooms?
>>
>> He's complaining about your attitude.  You obviously don't realize it,
>> but you come across as bossy via email.  Thinking about your
>> critical-sounding suggestions for new projects is mentally draining,
>> that's why people on -discuss get annoyed by your memos.  There are
>> people who can make those kinds of suggestions in ways that gather
>> interest.  You aren't one of them yet.  If you don't want drama,
>> you're going to have to learn how to communicate in writing a little
>> better.
>>
>> Instead of saying, "why doesn't Noisebridge..." you should be saying
>> "how do I do this for Noisebridge..."  Really, that's all that it
>> takes.
>>
>> There is a particularly annoying breed of silicon valley engineer who
>> constantly gets new ideas in his or her head and spends more time
>> talking about them than acting on them.  No one wants to be a dick to
>> someone on their team, but sometime around the fifth suggestion that a
>> new technology would be worthy of investigation one gets the urge to
>> throttle said  coworker and yell, "you could have found out for
>> yourself five times over in the time you spent talking to me about
>> it!"  You're probably right that some of the people who spend less
>> time at Noisebridge than you are overreacting to your memos.  I don't
>> think you're out to get us.  But you're reminding some of us of That
>> Guy and it's irritating.  Some people have even been That Guy in the
>> past, which makes it doubly irritating since it's an unpleasant
>> reminder of their past.
>>
>> The only reason I haven't completely written you off is that I've
>> learned that said breed of engineer usually has some kind of talent
>> that he's really good at if you can just get him to stop talking.  In
>> your case I think it's probably the bookkeeping you've been doing.
>> You've been doing a good job!  Thanks for spending the time to do it.
>> Focus on that I guarantee you things will simmer down quite a bit.
>>
>>> When anybody attempts to take credit for anything, somebody points out
>>> how uncool that is.  When anybody attempts NOT to take credit for
>>> anything, somebody wants to call them out on it.
>>
>> That anybody is called Miloh and the only calling out that happened
>> was when we elected him to the board.  Humility is a virtue.
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