[Noisebridge-discuss] Banning Patrick from Noisebridge

Rubin Abdi rubin at starset.net
Thu Feb 24 08:50:26 UTC 2011

Crutcher Dunnavant wrote, On 20110223 232232:
> Patrick doesn't have any rights to defend himself; because no one at
> noisebridge has the right to defend themselves from consensus.

Please see my previously email to the list. Nothing and no one are
stopping Patrick from deafening himself or communicating to anyone.
Consensus gives him and everyone else a week to discuss/defend either
side of this.

> Our charter doesn't define a criminal system, it merely defines a consensus
> process.

You could call that a feature, but knowing you Crutcher you wont. :P

> If he's not a member, he doesn't even have the right to speak at a meeting.

Yes he does. I'd be happy to slap anyone in the face who says otherwise
to a non-member.

Members can bring things up for consensus and either block or allow
consensus on an item.

Non-members can participate in discussion regarding consensus, and they
have as much power as they want to possibly get other members to see eye
to eye with them about allowing something to pass or not. Same goes with
bringing up a consensus item. If you can't "win over" a member, then
that might say something about the items ability to pass.

There's nothing stopping a non-member from speaking at a meeting.

Now if a non-member OR member is bantering on forever and ever and not
allowing others to speak or letting the meeting's agenda progress along
(like you have Crutcher!), people (I) will tell them to shut up.

> Now, I don't _like_ he consensus process, but that's the one we've got; and
> in that process ... he's SOL.

I'm strongly against Patrick ever returning to Noisebridge, but I don't
think he's shit out of luck and would be thrilled if consensus wasn't
required in the end.

Rubin Abdi
rubin at starset.net

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