[Noisebridge-discuss] new tag [DRAMA$] was (Is Patrick Keys stealing from the donation jug?)

Mon Jan 3 22:22:20 UTC 2011

Goddamn...  I occasionally want to write something out on NB-discuss to a
drama/policy thread but I don't because it's retarded.  Thus, I am absolving
my guilt by introducing the [DRAMA$] tag to the mailing list.  The $ at the
end indicates that I paypaled $5 to noisebridge for this post contributing
to the noise.  I encourage all of you to do the same.  Think of it as a
virtual cuss jar.

Okay now that I've paid my five dollars, here is my input on the whole
situation:  Rules just make life complicated.  Once you have rules you have
to have rules of to the exceptions to the rules and then exceptions to those
exceptions and the whole thing just never really works out because someone
will come along in a totally different situation that was never planned for
and it's just not every flexible.

If we didn't have laws then we wouldn't have criminals.  IMHO, radical
inclusivety is the end goal of not just our happy hackerspace but of the
whole world.  Our diversity of opinion is our strength and our uniting
bonds.

Smoke a blunt, chill out. Love your sisters and your brothers.  Remember
that sometimes people who come across as being very hard, or perhaps even
angry often have a lot of sadness in their life.  Everyone can use some
tenderness now and then.  And to quote civilization 5:  There is no path to
peace, peace is the path.

Love,
Praveen

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com> wrote:

> I am sorry, Cris.  The list does make Noisebridge seem more petty than it
> is.  Your concerns are mine.  I don't think we want to see this either and I
> thank you for being vocal about this because we need to know who the
> audience of this list is
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Cris <crisachow14 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have not attended the Noisebridge space in awhile and have been
>> following Noisebridge news via forum posts for quite awhile.
>>
>> I think it is kind of ridiculous for members to banter on forum posts
>> about sleeping at Noisebridge, stealing donation funds, criticizing other
>> members, etc.  That is what weekly meetings are for - or better yet, just
>> meet with said person or people to discuss the appropriate issues.
>>
>> I always thought the forum posts were to figure out when the next
>> soldering session was going to happen, who is making what for Maker's Faire,
>> what awesomely crazy kitchen/kombucha experiments are happening but now my
>> inbox is filled with junk because people are not able to confront other
>> people like civilized adults and instead, use the forum posts to poke at
>> others from afar behind the safety of their computers.
>>
>> Grow up.
>>
>> If the forum posts continue at this rate, I will, sadly, have to
>> unsubscribe.  I know there are a lot of amazing people and projects at
>> Noisebridge.  For the sake of Noisebridge, please keep it that way.
>>
>> Cristina
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil <
>> gian.pablo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think this is a constructive comment. I am OK with Patrick, as
>>> are several others.
>>>
>>> I am often at NB during the day, and can vouch for most of what
>>> Patrick says regarding his actions (sleep, rides, money into locked
>>> jars). I have no knowledge of the incident regarding Robert.
>>>
>>> Also, do we have it clear that the main issue is *residential* use of
>>> Noisebridge, not sleep per se? Lots of people take naps at NB.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Patrick,
>>> >
>>> > You're un-excellent. You're a total douchenugget. Nobody likes you.
>>> > I'm still kicking you out of the space the next time I see you.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Heph
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Sleeping:
>>> >> I have never slept here longer than a short nap. Ever. Any time I am
>>> >> here at night or early in the morning.  You can ask anybody that's
>>> here
>>> >> during that time (Isky, Robert, Benny, etc.).  My usual routine when I
>>> >> am here late at night has been to drive Benny home in my car so he
>>> >> doesn't have to walk.
>>> >>
>>> >> Stealing:
>>> >> I have no need to steal.  Plus, a lot of food that's brought in here
>>> is
>>> >> food that I pay for myself.  The alleged stealing is gossip that
>>> Robert
>>> >> started two nights ago while he was, ahem, sleeping here overnight at
>>> >> Noisebridge.  He also put up a curtain over the tea room and slept
>>> here
>>> >> all last night.  He and I were the only two people here two nights
>>> ago.
>>> >>  He awoke in the middle of sleeping in the Turing classroom, ran out
>>> of
>>> >> the room for some bizarre reason, and then claimed to have heard a
>>> >> noise.  He then blamed was my dog.  The next day, with no rhyme or
>>> >> reason, without even discussing it with me, he began telling his buddy
>>> >> Fabian behind my back that he was going to start personal private
>>> >> investigations into me.
>>> >>
>>> >> On several occasions, I have - with witnesses watching - taken money
>>> >> from the glass donation jar in the kitchen and moved it to the locked
>>> >> jar specifically to prevent theft.  I also update the drink money page
>>> >> whenever I take money from there.  When tastebridge money has been
>>> >> spent, I've also provided a receipt for any expenses.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not a gossip, but a few nights ago a $20 bill mysteriously got
>>> >> stolen from the drink donation box.  I counted the money before I left
>>> >> at 4am to see how much money we had.  The next day, when it came time
>>> to
>>> >> buy drinks, the $20 was missing.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is all ridiculously childish.
>>> >>
>>> >> Andy, it is unexcellent to accuse people of stealing, particularly
>>> when
>>> >> it is not even you doing the accusing.  Instead, it's an "anonymous"
>>> >> gossip that you're relaying.
>>> >>
>>> >> Gossip is un-excellent.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Patrick
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/3/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Handy wrote:
>>> >>> In the spirit of the openness that Patrick Keys has postulated,
>>> demanded, and yammered on about incessantly, I thought it only fair to air
>>> the accusations I was just made aware of:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It is alleged that Patrick Keys has been seen taking money out of the
>>> donation boxes. This accusation was leveled by a fellow who claimed to see
>>> this take place at 3 AM while the witness was gaming at NB. I've been told
>>> others have seen him do this on other occasions, but rather than do things
>>> in the dark behind closed doors, I thought I'd ask the list if anyone else
>>> can corroborate. Maybe we can set up some sort of formal process for dealing
>>> with thieves  in the process!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyone want to chime in?
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