[Noisebridge-discuss] Stacks of dirty dishes

Liz Henry liz at bookmaniac.org
Fri Jan 14 00:59:49 UTC 2011

Robby, if he comes and someone agrees to do his paperwork and supervise
his projects!   I should think anyone who teaches him something cool can
ask him to do some dishes 8-)

- Liz

On 1/13/11 3:58 PM, Lilia Markham wrote:
> Don't we have an intern now? I don't remember his name so I will call him
> Intern. Can we make Intern wash dishes?
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> Message: 32
>> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:14:09 -0800
>> From: Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Stacks of dirty dishes
>> To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
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>> I'm not sure I've seen the sinks not filled with dirty dishes more
>> times than I can count on one hand in the last several months. This is
>> kind of a tricky problem to solve, and I thought once the dishwasher
>> got set up it would abate a little, but it hasn't. It's a standard
>> "tragedy of the commons" problem: everyone has incentive to use the
>> dishes but nobody has as much incentive to keep them clean.
>> I've given it some thought, and I think the only long-term solution is
>> to move the dirty dishes from the sink to the dishwasher, wash them,
>> then put them in a box and drop them off at Thrift Town (about a block
>> from Noisebridge). We can then switch to disposable plateware if we
>> run out of dishes (which are a lot easier to clean up).
>> I'll volunteer to do this.
>>>>> Please do not, read below <<<<
>> Chore wheels and constant reminders won't work in the long-term or for
>> our particular space (there's too many people.) Elaborate technical
>> fixes that we can invent aren't practical. Appointing or even hiring
>> someone(s) to keep the sink cleared isn't something anyone wants to
>> sign up for or we can really afford over the long-term.
>> And the Thrift Town solution regulates itself nicely; if people care
>> enough about having dishes over paper plates they'll stick around, if
>> not, we'll have fewer dishes that need to be taken care of and it
>> becomes easier to keep them clean.
>> I've thought it through, but if anyone has solutions that are
>> long-term, practical, and cost-effective then email this thread. I'll
>> post a sign about this policy in the kitchen for people who aren't on
>> the mailing list.
>> -Al
>> Hi to All!
>> I appreciate that this was brought up to discussion but I strongly disagree
>> with
>> the solution and I've
>> not seen this post on Tastebridge discussion list were it certainly belongs
>> -
>> the are not culprits but
>> stewards of the place. Dishes has to be cleaned on regular basis, it was
>> managed
>> before it can be
>> managed again. It is not easy but possible and also necessary.
>> Getting rid of the dishes will cause sever problems to the Tastebridge
>> which is
>> currently
>> one of the most active groups in the space and one of the few which is
>> promoting
>> Noisebridge
>> "out there" on regular bases. Switching for disposable dishes is not
>> ecological
>> and it will just not do.
>> Kitchen without dishes is basically not a kitchen. Do not forget that to
>> buy
>> knew ones, which would
>> happen sooner than later you spend a lots of money. It's like suggesting
>> getting
>> rid of soldering irons
>> in an electronic lab which is certainly sometimes dirty and it is not after
>> the
>> Monday classes, quite the
>> contrary, it's quite shining and the same applies most of the time when the
>> kitchen is used for
>> cooking and brewing classes.
>> I will post on the Tastebridge mailing list this email knowing however that
>> it's
>> the Tastebridge people
>> who in a long term keep the kitchen in a working order. However I'm sure
>> that
>> they will try to find the
>> solution even if it takes some time. It may be, that we have accumulated
>> too
>> many dishes but it is people
>> who use the kitchen on regular bases and have a proper manners to decide
>> what is
>> worthy and what is
>> not because they have quite good idea. People who do not use the kitchen
>> and do
>> not know what is
>> important for the classes, five minutes of fame dinners, underground
>> markets
>> etc. should step back and
>> leave it on the ones who are involved in activities above to work on it.
>> I hope that this situation will be sort out, so please try to come up with
>> reasonably working solutions
>> because as a chef and brewer you have to have proper dishes in the kitchen,
>> it
>> is as it is.
>> Sincerely,
>> Frantisek
>> PS Based on the logic above we should close both bathrooms because they are
>> also
>> quite dirty
>> quite often.
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