[Noisebridge-discuss] more member shelves = more happy members = more NB income

aestetix aestetix aestetix at gmail.com
Mon Jan 31 21:37:37 UTC 2011

Here's my response to this: there is nothing preventing anyone from taking
this on on their own. If it's too much work for a single person, they can
ask for support, and I'm sure there are people who'd be willing to help out,
especially if it's a very excellent project.

The point behind using consensus is that you can rarely put anything through
it, thus (in theory) encouraging people to ignore the political process and
just go and do stuff. There are no "stakeholders", except for the personal
investment an individual has put into a particular project.

If you're working on a big project that requires moving around other peoples
stuff, ask them about it, ask them what they think. Who knows, maybe they
think it's a good idea and want to help you, thus you get immediate support.
Getting the entire membership behind any idea will almost never happen,
because we're all different.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jared Dunne <jareddunne at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure, Patrick could tackle this autonomously and alone, but it seems
> that putting this through the Consensus process might help it be more
> effective.
> - It sounds like Patrick wants membership to be behind any changes he
> makes.
> - It seems like this is a big enough project where Patrick needs help
> making it happen, and what better way to find common ground with other
> stakeholders than through consensus.
> - Since part of Patrick's idea was to make more efficient use of the
> shelving already present, it seems like current shelf holders would
> appreciate being given an opportunity to downsize/relocate their shelf
> space with out having Patrick making those decisions entirely for
> them.
> A consensus hacking note, I've been meaning to bring up... When people
> propose ideas on list or in meetings, there seems to be "this is a
> doacracy" meme with which people reply knee-jerk.  If people choose to
> seek out consensus before they act in way that might step on toes
> (cause drama), I think they should be applauded.  If no one cares
> about it enough to block the final proposal or help out, then the
> proposal can revert back to the 'do-acracy' mindset.
> Jared-
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > More Member Shelves
> > -----------------------
> > noisebridge could use more member shelves.
> > more member shelves means we could accomodate more members and thereby
> > have more membership income (theoretically).
> >
> > One Size Does Not Fit All
> > --------------------------
> > personally, i think we could accomodate everybody better if we had
> > different sized shelves.
> > people that don't need much space could use smaller shelves.
> > people that need more space could use bigger shelves.
> > think of the shelves like post office boxes, with smaller ones higher up
> > and larger ones for heavier stuff closer to the ground.
> >
> > Safety In Numbers
> > ---------------------------
> > we could number the shelves, thereby making it easier to at least know
> > who has what shelf.
> > numbers are also more anonymous than having to write your name on the
> shelf.
> > You know what number shelf your stuff is in and nobody else does (unless
> > they physically see you come and go from the shelf).
> >
> > Out of Sight, Out of Mind
> > ---------------------------
> > shannon had mentioned making shelves way back when with doors on them.
> > with doors on the shelves, they could be BYOL ("bring your own lock").
> > also, having shelves with doors makes stuff "out of sight, out of mind"
> > for anybody with sticky fingers.
> >
> > Hack Shelf
> > --------------------------
> > The hack shelf shares the space with the member shelves right now.
> > Moving the hack shelf separate from the member shelves might result in
> > stuff on the hack shelf getting used more often, which would be a good
> > thing.
> >
> > Consensing on a Plan
> > --------------------------
> > If we can consense on a plan for new, improved member shelves, then we
> > can organize the budget and resources necessary to get the job done.
> > Then its simply a matter of getting them built and installed.
> >
> > Feedback
> > --------------------------
> > Anybody have any comments about new/improved/increased member shelves?
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick
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