[Noisebridge-discuss] policies and procedures (more things you don't want to hear)
jim
jim at systemateka.com
Mon Jan 3 18:14:26 UTC 2011
you do.
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 00:26 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
> Since nobody is in charge, who gets to decide what's excellent and what
> isn't?
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On 1/3/2011 12:20 AM, girlgeek at wt.net wrote:
> > Christie wrote "While generally, it's a good idea to do or not do
> > certain things, and
> > often it may even be necessary to write those certain things down, we've
> > kinda stuck with the "be excellent" as a catch-all for hopefully not
> > having to tell people that being hurtful to the space or others who use
> > it is bad."
> >
> > Christie,
> > "be excellent" is a really much more excellent way to deal with things
> > than rules. For example, exactly how much sleeping on the couch is not
> > acceptable? "When it is not excellent behavior" is the answer.
> >
> > I think that you and I are agreeing, but I just wanted to write this.
> > Be well,
> > Claudia
> >
> >
> > --- longobord at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> > To: Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net"
> > <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] policies and procedures (more things
> > you don't want to hear)
> > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:48:06 -0800
> >
> > So you really think that'll make a difference in a lawsuit? I really
> > wonder what the insurance people have to say about it. We do, after all,
> > have coverage for just that sort of thing. I'm surprised we had to rely
> > on you and not them for this sort of instructions.
> >
> > And Noisebridge is all about covering their ass for this sort of thing,
> > naturally.
> >
> > C
> > _______
> > "It is the time you have lost for your rose that makes your rose so
> > important."
> > Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> >
> > "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart."
> > William Butler Yeats
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com
> > <mailto:citizenkeys at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > If nothing else, they need to be called "policies and procedures"
> > for legal reasons.
> >
> > The first time somebody gets a serious injury and decides to file a
> > lawsuit, the first question that will be asked is "did noisebridge
> > have any policy or procedure intended to prevent this?"
> >
> > Likewise, noisebridge legally needs a policy to prevent taking
> > noisebridge property because noisebridge is a non-profit. taking
> > noisebridge property is considered an illegal transfer of assets.
> > legally, assets at a non-profit can only be transferred to another
> > non-profit. taking something from a non-profit for personal use can
> > easily cause noisebridge to lose its tax-exempt status.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/2/2011 8:43 PM, Christie Dudley wrote:
> >
> > I admit that the OP was tl;dr.
> >
> > The biggest problem with any "rule" at Noisebridge is that it's
> > ultimately unenforceable.
> >
> > Remember the time we tried to keep the dirty hippy out and he
> > climbed
> > the fire escape to get in?
> > Think of all the sleeping people!
> >
> > Until we have a 24x7 hall monitor that we trust with real power and
> > authority, it just makes people who try to make rules look dumb
> > to have
> > the rules flagrantly disregarded. There are sometimes trolls
> > amongst us
> > who will deliberately flagrantly disregard rules for the purpose of
> > making the rule-maker look stupid.
> >
> > While generally, it's a good idea to do or not do certain
> > things, and
> > often it may even be necessary to write those certain things
> > down, we've
> > kinda stuck with the "be excellent" as a catch-all for hopefully not
> > having to tell people that being hurtful to the space or others
> > who use
> > it is bad.
> >
> > Christie
> > _______
> > "It is the time you have lost for your rose that makes your rose so
> > important."
> > Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> >
> > "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart."
> > William Butler Yeats
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:19 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com
> > <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>
> > <mailto:jim at systemateka.com <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > these seem like reasonable tho'ts.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 21:25 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
> > > Since nobody wants to hear it from me, I'll try to keep this
> > short:
> > >
> > > Going into this new year, Noisebridge should (needs!) do things
> > like the
> > > rest of the world and formally acknowledge some policies and
> > procedures.
> > > You can read more about these types of things at:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policies_and_procedures
> > >
> > > There are both legal and practical requirements for policies and
> > > procedures. While it sounds cool to claim there's no
> > policies, I'm
> > > certain Noisebridge has at least some general policies. "Be
> > excellent to
> > > each other", wear shoes while in the space, don't use bittorrent
> > on the
> > > noisebridge network, clean up after yourself, don't sleep here
> > overnight
> > > are just a few policies that I know exist.
> > >
> > > As for procedures, Noisebridge has some of those as well. Post
> > > something to the rack list if you modify a server, put money
> > into the
> > > drink donations bin if you take a drink from the fridge, etc.
> > A few
> > > more that should seriously be considered are providing a real
> > receipt to
> > > the treasurer/bookkeeper if you spend noisebridge money, a
> > procedure to
> > > reserve certain resources for a specific date/time (a classroom,
> > use of
> > > a projector, etc.), and accepting packages delivered to
> > noisebridge and
> > > notifying the recipient.
> > >
> > > All policies and procedures should be kept in a location that
> > guests and
> > > members alike can easily locate. I recommend:
> > > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Policies_and_procedures
> > >
> > > Policies and procedures prevent petty disputes and allow
> > people that
> > > don't know each other very well and don't particularly like each
> > other
> > > very much to at least sorta get along with each other.
> > Noisebridge has
> > > too many members and visitors at this point to not have any
> > general
> > > policies and procedures.
> > >
> > > Hopefully this posting will not start a flame war.
> > >
> > >
> > > Happy New Year!
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick
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