[Noisebridge-discuss] Advisory about recent thefts at Noisebridge.

meredith scheff satiredun at gmail.com
Mon Jul 11 22:26:29 UTC 2011

I fucking love you Rachel. Noisebridge is not a freeschool annex, IMO.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:11 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
<rachelyra at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm going to reply inline
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, girlgeek <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
> > Adding my 2 cents.
> >
> > I second the suggestion of 10AM to 10PM (or earlier) open hours -  10PM
> to
> > 10AM - 'members' only please.    I put 'members' in quotes because we can
> be
> > very liberal in what we consider a member for these purposes.
> > We might consider a $5/visit donation requirement which we can  forget to
> > ask of anyone who looks O.K.
> > We might consider a $2/visit donation of anyone who isn't a true monthly
> > paying member and solve some financial problems at the same time.
> all of these solutions require us to do some kind of vague but active
> people sorting, filtering, demanding money, closing the doors or
> kicking out of nonmembers.  i mean, what happens at 10pm?  who stands
> up and kicks out all those people we have spent two years telling that
> they can come in and work whenever they want?  Or do we just want to
> kick out problem people?  i fail to see how that differs from saying
> "let's kick out problem people" except for the second is far more
> honest.
> > We might consider a lock on the upstairs door that opens with the same
> key
> > or keypad as downstairs, but otherwise has to be opened by someone who
> > greets - and tells strangers to go away after 10PM.
> i like this better.  i also like the keypad/simply no longer buzzing
> people in solution, i think it's similar in effect.  I also would like
> to propose a similar solution: a passphrase.  to get buzzed in you
> must deliver the passphrase.  it could be distributed via wiki,
> mailing list, whatever.  i like the password over the keypad solution
> because i believe it has the same level of filter but more fun in
> implementation, and less work up-front to implement it it would
> require a greater behavioral change, but that might be a good thing.
> training people to have a small interaction with others to allow the
> others to enter could be a step in the right direction.
> > I like, "What are you here to work on?" as a filter of people.  We need
> an
> > acceptable response for Free School people like, "I'm part of the Free
> > School." but otherwise, anyone coming in who doesn't look right shouldn't
> be
> > here without a project.
> Um, fuck the free school.  I am sure that many of them are nice people
> but they have several spaces nearby they can use for their chanting
> circles/massage parties/talking about hippie stuff/whatever and being
> part of Free School is not a reason to hang out at noisebridge.
> working on creative technology projects is.
> working on creative technology projects is.
> working on creative technology projects is.
> working on creative technology projects is.
> >
> > A slightly different aspect of the problem.  Say someone unexcellent
> comes
> > in.....
> >
> > It is only a small % of us that feel that we can ask them to leave.  We
> need
> > some sort of social  ok or awareness that especially as long as this
> problem
> > exists that we need to err on the side of asking people to leave, an we
> all
> > need to work as a group on the problem when an unexcellent person comes
> in.
> > And   it can be very difficult to get the idea across to someone crazy,
> > stoned, or crazy stoned that they need to leave.  Remember when we asked
> > Salvador Dali Lama to leave - daily.
> >
> > Avoiding theft means asking a suspected thief to leave, before they have
> > done anything wrong.  This means that we must act on our 'bad feeling
> about
> > someone'.   Are we all willing to do that?
> we must as a community come up with some tools to help us know when we
> can and should ask people to leave, and to help us know how to do it
> without being an asshole or unfairly targeting someone we don't know
> or who is different from ourselves.
> R.
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