[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeper problem.

Mike Williams merwanwilliams at gmail.com
Fri Jul 15 22:32:08 UTC 2011

I'm willing to show up in the morning.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds good. I'll forward the info to you and encourage others to do the
> same.
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I came to Noisebridge this morning to check for sleepers. I haven't
> >> done so in a while. There were about half a dozen people up and
> >> working on stuff, and two people crashed on couches and chairs.
> >>
> >> One them was Lennie, who's a new guy who started coming to the space a
> >> month or two ago. I bring this up in particular because this is the
> >> third time I've found him sleeping at the space. As usual, I woke him
> >> up and talked to him a bit about Noisebridge's sleeper problem and
> >> then asked him to leave. (When I wake people up and don't ask people
> >> to leave, they just go back to crashing at Noisebridge when I walk out
> >> the door. I've checked.)
> >
> > Hey Al,
> >
> > As I've said a couple of times in private email, and several people
> > said in the meeting, it'd be useful to coordinate so you don't end
> > being the only person turning up in the mornings or checking up on
> > these things.
> >
> > I think what you say and do to people who are just using the space to
> > sleep in has added force if others are doing it also, and also having
> > some co-operation on this also helps prevent burnout or the idea that
> > this is just something you're doing off your own bat. It's a lot
> > harder for someone to protest that you're exclusively conducting a
> > guilt trip when there are several others talking to them about their
> > behaviour. It also means that they are reminded about it when there's
> > no Al around.
> >
> > My understanding was also that one of the reasons why you're unhappy
> > about the lack of a concrete rule about opening times or whether it's
> > appropriate to sleep in the space, is because without such a rule, you
> > feel diminishes your capability to actually ask people to leave, and
> > it makes you feel awkward because you are unsure of the level of
> > support. Many people at the meeting said that you do have support, and
> > that the NB way to provide that support more concretely was to provide
> > some structure and co-operation for what you're doing.
> >
> > Some people also wanted to know who was sleeping at the space, because
> > it was confusing to hear rumors and conflicting reports. You said that
> > you felt uncomfortable giving names in public because of the criticism
> > over privacy that you received last time this had happened.
> >
> > In response to that, I agreed to act as a resource so you and others
> > could inform me of who you've seen, and I could keep a tally and
> > publicise in a way to nb-discuss of the level of the problem that
> > would both help preserve people's privacy and Googeability, actually
> > collect them some concrete data,  document whether this problem is
> > getting worse or better, etc. I willing to spend some time working out
> > how to be both public about the facts and protective of privacy,
> > because it's actually something I face pretty repeatedly when doing
> > the secretarial tasks.
> >
> > I'd like to repeat, in public, the offering of both of these
> > solutions: people to help you, and some system to track and publicise
> > the level of recurring sleeping. What do you think?
> >
> >>
> >> I was polite, he was polite. He explained that he was just taking a
> >> short nap and not sleeping (which was the same explanation he gave the
> >> first two times, and it wasn't very believable then either.) He said
> >> he thought it was disrespectful to wake people up and ask them to
> >> leave. He implied that people stopped hanging around the space because
> >> I was waking up sleepers in the morning (I usually arrive between 6am
> >> and 7am), and some other guilt-trip remarks. His stalling went on for
> >> about half an hour, but I kept replying that he's free to work all
> >> night at Noisebridge but needs to make plans for getting home before
> >> he gets sleepy, and that he still had to leave this morning. Lennie
> >> packed up and walked over to Mitch and spent another half hour
> >> explaining himself, and finally left. I left a little bit later. After
> >> I got on my bike and was riding away I noticed he was back at the
> >> Noisebridge gate.
> >>
> >> This isn't a one-off thing, and Lennie never said he'd stop doing it.
> >> Talking to him about doesn't phase him one bit. If this becomes a
> >> problem again (and tell me if it does), I'm going to tell Lennie to
> >> stop coming to Noisebridge.
> >>
> >> -Al
> >>
> >> Also, the sinks were full of dishes, there were fruit flies hovering
> >> around food that had been left out, and vegetables are being stored in
> >> unsealed containers again where the rats can get to them. On the plus
> >> side, the kitchen counters were clean and the hackers-to-sleepers
> >> ratio is a complete inversion of what it was a couple weeks ago.
> >
> > The kitchen, and a lot of the space was *really* clean yesterday
> > (though I noticed as I left that fruit was being brought into the
> > space). A couple of people commented to me on how much more organized
> > and tidy the place is  looking, and as I left, Espen was finishing on
> > his work tidying up the workshop.
> >
> > I think maybe we get a situation where plates are left in the sink
> > overnight, but cleaned afterwards (whether by the same people or just
> > grumpy/generous people cleaning I don't know).
> >
> > d.
> >
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