[Noisebridge-discuss] Tor consensus item

jim jim at systemateka.com
Wed Jul 27 04:19:54 UTC 2011

    Despite NB having only one rule, it seems to me that 
we've agreed that any proposal for consensus is to allow 
at least a week for dissemination. 
    I'm strongly in favor of consensus and believe a 
change, even on a single topic, is to some degree playing 
with fire. You're right that a single obstinate person 
can hold up a group decision, but that's part of the 
process that I like: the group must confront the lone 
holdout, and vice versa. 
    Also, why "majority"? Why not "super majority"? I 
really don't like simple majority rule. 
    Also, why not support Tor as a doocratic move: those 
who like it support it as Noisebridge members, not as 
Noisebridge in toto. That way, if things go south, the 
501 (c) 3 corporation, Noisebridge, is at worst 
tangentially related. 

On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 13:44 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> I can't make it to the meeting tonight, but I have an addition to the
> Tor consensus item I'd like to make.
> I think Tor is something that Noisebridge should back, and personally
> I'm in favor of it. But the nature of the Tor project is that there
> are several things that could go wrong that we can't really predict,
> and there are people who are passionately in favor of the project. The
> problem I see is that if Something Should Go Wrong, I'd like
> Noisebridge to be able to dissolve backing the Tor project by a
> majority vote rather than through consensus. One passionate and
> obstinate person could block Noisebridge from untangling itself from a
> relationship that everyone else agrees has turned poisonous.
> I really don't think this is likely, but I don't think it's impossible.
> Again, I'm in favor of NB putting its name behind Tor. But I would
> have to block any consensus item that doesn't allow NB to withdraw its
> support through a majority vote of the members. It simply takes too
> much power from the membership.
> -Al
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