[Noisebridge-discuss] Handy signs are handy.
jim
jim at well.com
Fri Jul 29 20:19:34 UTC 2011
Which "printed signs" do you mean?
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 13:05 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> It really doesn't matter. The instructional signs get defaced. The
> policy-oriented signs get defaced (even the ones that have been
> reworded after I talk with others about them.)
>
> My offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar to Noisebridge each day
> the printed signs don't get defaced or torn down. That comes to almost
> an extra starving-hacker rate membership.
>
> -Al
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:50 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I still think you should define "printed signs" more
> > particularly.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 11:26 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> >> I know that signs getting defaced or torn down is a data point, it's
> >> just not a very helpful one. I have no clue who did it or why, so
> >> there's no way I can talk to them and work out a change or compromise.
> >> And if somebody is just defacing a sign instead of bringing it up with
> >> people, they most likely don't _care_ to talk about it or compromise.
> >> That's unexcellent behavior that we should change.
> >>
> >> So to encourage people not taking the defacing route, I'm offering to
> >> donate a dollar to Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without
> >> being defaced or torn down.
> >>
> >> -Al
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Note Rachel's point that any tagging is a likely data
> >> > point. I believe most tagging indicates something, however
> >> > obscure.
> >> > I'd like to reiterate the idea of clearing an area
> >> > around a posted sign and add the notion of having fewer
> >> > signs and/or have signs deal with fewer topics.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:48 -0700, Christina Olson wrote:
> >> >> Hey kids,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In my discussion with Liz and Danny about signs I did in fact touch
> >> >> upon the points that 1. signs get removed or moved ALL THE DAMN TIME
> >> >> and 2. no one respects any signage due to the fact that they're not
> >> >> clear, not consistent, and just printed paper taped to somewhere.
> >> >> We're working on a branded, systemic set of signs that will be
> >> >> laminated and nailed/screwed to walls and other things so they cannot
> >> >> be easily moved or disregarded. If you'd like to be part of the sign
> >> >> development effort please join the soceng mailing list, and speak to
> >> >> Liz or myself.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The soceng meeting will be a day next week that is NOT tuesday, since
> >> >> I can't ever make Tuesday anything due to a preexisting regular
> >> >> commitment. It will probably be Wednesday or Thursday, I haven't
> >> >> decided yet.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> PS: Buying a laminator is hella crazy expensive, like several hundred
> >> >> dollars for a shitty personal one and thousands for a good one (I've
> >> >> already looked into this multiple times for other reasons, same thing
> >> >> with paper cutters and binding machines), so unless someone is
> >> >> donating one to the space, we are going to get them printed and
> >> >> laminated elsewhere.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks lots, Al, for your work.
> >> >> Your offer of $1 a day seems to me to need some
> >> >> fine-tuning,
> >> >> mainly to specify particular signs, not just "the printed
> >> >> signs".
> >> >> As to tagging, seemingly snarky (gratuitous) additions may
> >> >> reflect some reasonable criticism, sometimes a matter of the
> >> >> background attitude that the wording and graphic effect of the
> >> >> sign presents.
> >> >> Maybe give some further thought to the design and wording
> >> >> of
> >> >> printed signs, including some aspect of printing that presents
> >> >> the sign as a finished graphic--while that presents a risk of
> >> >> doing extra work that gets trashed (i.e. tagged), a more
> >> >> polished
> >> >> finish may deter the more genuinely snarky changes.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:30 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> >> >> > The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary
> >> >> so much
> >> >> > as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just
> >> >> gets torn
> >> >> > down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication
> >> >> and
> >> >> > discourages people from putting up signs in the first place.
> >> >> It's not
> >> >> > like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and
> >> >> undoing
> >> >> > edits are trivial.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to
> >> >> > Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being
> >> >> defaced or
> >> >> > torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying
> >> >> again if
> >> >> > they get tagged up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming.
> >> >> There's a
> >> >> > wiki page up too: nburl.net/signage
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Al
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien
> >> >> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
> >> >> > > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an
> >> >> excellent piece of
> >> >> > >> feedback from the community about the quality,
> >> >> intentions, or placement of
> >> >> > >> the sign. Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be
> >> >> pragmatic about it
> >> >> > >> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can
> >> >> improve against.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons...
> >> >> including exit
> >> >> > >> signs. Anyone want to start a signage working group with
> >> >> me?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I think the best place for this would be on the social
> >> >> engineering list.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday
> >> >> meeting (or
> >> >> > > the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up
> >> >> before then
> >> >> > > to brainstorm on it?)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > d.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> mediumreality.com
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O'Brien"
> >> >> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart
> >> >> <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less
> >> >> intimidating to
> >> >> > >>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space
> >> >> to make it more
> >> >> > >>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are,
> >> >> and provide
> >> >> > >>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing
> >> >> is glowing
> >> >> > >>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently
> >> >> (if you have a
> >> >> > >>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to
> >> >> email me
> >> >> > >>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage
> >> >> preserving the signs,
> >> >> > >>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without
> >> >> being defaced or
> >> >> > >>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that
> >> >> dollar, it'd be
> >> >> > >>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on
> >> >> improving the
> >> >> > >>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge),
> >> >> you might
> >> >> > >>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about
> >> >> getting a
> >> >> > >>> laminator as well.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement
> >> >> in the last
> >> >> > >>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I
> >> >> personally think
> >> >> > >>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in
> >> >> general I also
> >> >> > >>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also
> >> >> good. Liz's
> >> >> > >>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because
> >> >> someone is working
> >> >> > >>> on better versions of them, based on the written
> >> >> improvements. Our
> >> >> > >>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just
> >> >> > >>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than
> >> >> simply
> >> >> > >>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't
> >> >> working.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> d.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>> -Al
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the
> >> >> white HP inkjet
> >> >> > >>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's
> >> >> expensive (i.e.
> >> >> > >>>> overpriced by monopolistic bastards).
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