[Noisebridge-discuss] Housekeeping history : ANNOUNCING CLEANY-FIXY DAY

[jim]

    shannon lee started some kind of second saturday 
of the month fix-up day. i like the idea and think 
we should re-institute it and make sure we promote 
it each month (and put it on the wiki and so on). 
    never mind why it didn't persist. 

    I hereby announce that Saturday, July 9, is 
Noisebridge cleany-fixy day. Everybody show up and 
do something to improve the place. You can sweep, 
mop, do dishes, build or move shelves, nag anybody 
who appears and doesn't do any cleany-fixy thing.... 
    Hours for second saturday cleany-fixy day are 
12:01 AM to 11:59 PM saturday, july 9, 2011. 




On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:24 -0700, Will Sargent wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>         Will Sargent wrote, On 20110630 143724:
>         > See, I think this "someone should step up and take
>         responsibility" is part
>         > of the problem.  No-one wants to get stuck with the "I clean
>         Noisebridge"
>         > job, and I can understand why.
>         
>         
>         It's our space, part of participating in a space is we all
>         clean it.
>         That makes more sense to me then electing an official are
>         paying someone
>         to do the job.
>         
>         If you're looking for some place you don't need to clean up,
>         might I
>         suggest looking for a commercial work share space.
>         
>         Additionally if we get a facilities manager to deal with the
>         space, why
>         bother cleaning up after yourself? At work I don't wash my own
>         dishes,
>         the company I work for decided it's cheaper to hire somewhere
>         else than
>         for its employees to waste their (highly expensive) time on
>         that sort of
>         thing. I go to work to work and get paid for it.
>         
>         Noisebridge is a community, I go there to participate in it. I
>         wouldn't
>         see Noisebridge in the same light if we were paying someone to
>         come in
>         and clean up after ourselves. We're not getting paid to go
>         there and
>         work towards a business valued goal. It's our space and I
>         think we
>         should work towards making it hospitable to whatever point we
>         want it to be.
>         
>         I like the idea that the current configuration, layout, where
>         everything
>         is of Noisebridge happened because someone random, member or
>         not decided
>         to make that happen. I like that I can show up and decide,
>         "Well fuck
>         these fucking doors they don't belong here anymore" and move
>         them
>         elsewhere without having to answer to someone who's getting
>         paid to make
>         sure everything little thing is exactly where it should be. It
>         would
>         feel like a very different place if someone got pissy at me
>         for removing
>         a door, not because they're a total asshole member, but
>         because they're
>         getting paid to be an asshole.
>         
>         No one single person should have to spearhead this effort, the
>         whole
>         community should. Considering the number of man hours wasted
>         in this
>         debating through our mailing list and at meetings, how much
>         cleaner
>         could have Noisebridge have gotten if we just had a single
>         cleaning day
>         every 2 or 3 weeks?
>         
>         Hell someone for a while had a cleaning thing setup at the end
>         of every
>         meeting, that worked great when people paid attention to that
>         last
>         agenda item.
>         
>         You're all smart, hack a solution together people, make
>         Noisebridge your
>         community.
> 
> 
> I don't think that what you're saying is wrong.  If we'd had a single
> cleaning day every two to three weeks instead of debating it, the
> place would be cleaner.  But first you'd need to organize everyone,
> you'd need to build awareness, you'd need to get everyone's scheduled
> aligned.  That can take as much work as having a debate about it in
> the first place.
> 
> 
> But then you'd have the same problem in a month's time.   And you'd
> have to corrall everyone all over again -- that's effectively what you
> did while you were facilities manager -- on an adhoc basis.  I think
> there's merit to doing it that way, but during times when that doesn't
> happen, I think that a cleaning service is also an acceptable
> solution.  
> 
> 
> You do bring up an interesting point about the feelings of ownership
> and community though -- you could say if you want to be a member, you
> have to sign up for a certain amount of "sign your name on the list
> saying you cleaned this space," or show up for a cleaning day at the
> end of the month, etc.  If cleaning is the responsibility of the
> community, then the people who have stepped up to be members of that
> community should have that as a condition.
> 
> 
> Again, I think the space can be cleaner than it is, I'm not fussed
> about how we get there, I don't have an ideological bag to hold.  I
> want something that works.
> 
> 
> Will.
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