[Noisebridge-discuss] Handy signs are handy.
Al Sweigart
asweigart at gmail.com
Fri Jul 29 18:26:39 UTC 2011
I know that signs getting defaced or torn down is a data point, it's
just not a very helpful one. I have no clue who did it or why, so
there's no way I can talk to them and work out a change or compromise.
And if somebody is just defacing a sign instead of bringing it up with
people, they most likely don't _care_ to talk about it or compromise.
That's unexcellent behavior that we should change.
So to encourage people not taking the defacing route, I'm offering to
donate a dollar to Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without
being defaced or torn down.
-Al
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
> Note Rachel's point that any tagging is a likely data
> point. I believe most tagging indicates something, however
> obscure.
> I'd like to reiterate the idea of clearing an area
> around a posted sign and add the notion of having fewer
> signs and/or have signs deal with fewer topics.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:48 -0700, Christina Olson wrote:
>> Hey kids,
>>
>>
>> In my discussion with Liz and Danny about signs I did in fact touch
>> upon the points that 1. signs get removed or moved ALL THE DAMN TIME
>> and 2. no one respects any signage due to the fact that they're not
>> clear, not consistent, and just printed paper taped to somewhere.
>> We're working on a branded, systemic set of signs that will be
>> laminated and nailed/screwed to walls and other things so they cannot
>> be easily moved or disregarded. If you'd like to be part of the sign
>> development effort please join the soceng mailing list, and speak to
>> Liz or myself.
>>
>>
>> The soceng meeting will be a day next week that is NOT tuesday, since
>> I can't ever make Tuesday anything due to a preexisting regular
>> commitment. It will probably be Wednesday or Thursday, I haven't
>> decided yet.
>>
>>
>> PS: Buying a laminator is hella crazy expensive, like several hundred
>> dollars for a shitty personal one and thousands for a good one (I've
>> already looked into this multiple times for other reasons, same thing
>> with paper cutters and binding machines), so unless someone is
>> donating one to the space, we are going to get them printed and
>> laminated elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks lots, Al, for your work.
>> Your offer of $1 a day seems to me to need some
>> fine-tuning,
>> mainly to specify particular signs, not just "the printed
>> signs".
>> As to tagging, seemingly snarky (gratuitous) additions may
>> reflect some reasonable criticism, sometimes a matter of the
>> background attitude that the wording and graphic effect of the
>> sign presents.
>> Maybe give some further thought to the design and wording
>> of
>> printed signs, including some aspect of printing that presents
>> the sign as a finished graphic--while that presents a risk of
>> doing extra work that gets trashed (i.e. tagged), a more
>> polished
>> finish may deter the more genuinely snarky changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:30 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
>> > The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary
>> so much
>> > as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just
>> gets torn
>> > down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication
>> and
>> > discourages people from putting up signs in the first place.
>> It's not
>> > like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and
>> undoing
>> > edits are trivial.
>> >
>> > Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to
>> > Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being
>> defaced or
>> > torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying
>> again if
>> > they get tagged up.
>> >
>> > I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming.
>> There's a
>> > wiki page up too: nburl.net/signage
>> >
>> > -Al
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien
>> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
>> > > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an
>> excellent piece of
>> > >> feedback from the community about the quality,
>> intentions, or placement of
>> > >> the sign. Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be
>> pragmatic about it
>> > >> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can
>> improve against.
>> > >>
>> > >> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons...
>> including exit
>> > >> signs. Anyone want to start a signage working group with
>> me?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > I think the best place for this would be on the social
>> engineering list.
>> > >
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering
>> > >
>> > > Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday
>> meeting (or
>> > > the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up
>> before then
>> > > to brainstorm on it?)
>> > >
>> > > d.
>> > >
>> > >> mediumreality.com
>> > >>
>> > >> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O'Brien"
>> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart
>> <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less
>> intimidating to
>> > >>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space
>> to make it more
>> > >>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are,
>> and provide
>> > >>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing
>> is glowing
>> > >>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently
>> (if you have a
>> > >>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to
>> email me
>> > >>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage
>> preserving the signs,
>> > >>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without
>> being defaced or
>> > >>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that
>> dollar, it'd be
>> > >>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on
>> improving the
>> > >>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge),
>> you might
>> > >>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about
>> getting a
>> > >>> laminator as well.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement
>> in the last
>> > >>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I
>> personally think
>> > >>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in
>> general I also
>> > >>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also
>> good. Liz's
>> > >>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because
>> someone is working
>> > >>> on better versions of them, based on the written
>> improvements. Our
>> > >>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just
>> > >>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than
>> simply
>> > >>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't
>> working.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> d.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> -Al
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the
>> white HP inkjet
>> > >>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's
>> expensive (i.e.
>> > >>>> overpriced by monopolistic bastards).
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