[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] My Hair Is On Fire - Current events that are shaping your rights as we speak
jim
jim at well.com
Tue Mar 15 02:46:06 UTC 2011
beautiful!
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 18:27 -0700, Brian Morris wrote:
> my feeling is that hacking must involve somewhat underground going
> somewhat radically against the established ways.
>
> an engineer once worked for a big corporation and the hardware hacker
> could beat him to the punch working out of his with garage, perhaps
> even with spare and leftover parts. perhaps the hacker once worked for
> the man but he dropped out. or he never could deal with the
> establishment in the first place, as a self-taught engineer he can't
> get a job but he loves the work anyway so he does whatever he needs to
> do to keep it going. Woz was a hacker.
>
> a hack writer could be someone who writes hack novels just to keep
> writing and not have to wash dishes. but if he is a hacker he uses
> that to finance something that might shake things up. He is thereby
> refusing to join the establishment / status quo ie to Sell Out.
>
> -------
>
> arguing about whether political hacking exists is silly. we all know
> what has happened the last two years, and who hacked the political
> establishment. if that wasn't a hack I don't know what is. You might
> argue about whether it is on balance disruptive or constructive. (I
> ain't advocating nothing).
>
> the more current events you might argue about whether for instance the
> Middle East has been hacked. But maybe looking at it from that point
> of view might be of some help to the liberators in their efforts or to
> those who would assist them. Well of course hackers in the more narrow
> sense have been of assistance.
>
> For another great political hacker you might consider M. Ghandi.
> Without his stuff what would the world be like today, hmmm ?
>
> You got to have some IMAGINATION.
>
>
> --------
>
> For me Slow Food was hacking. I didn't know anyone else was doing it
> until it had become a Thing. I hope to keep doing it even if it is no
> longer a Thing. It is radical in this culture and in a quiet way that
> hurts nobody.
>
> Also I think that the concepts of Digital Art need hacking badly.
> This means NO Photoshop, Illustrator, or Flashiness stuff or anything
> similar / commercial / mass-market, actually nice if it could shake
> these people up but so what if it doesn't too bad for them. This stuff
> is leaking all the power from art that should be shaking things up.
>
> Economic hacking is another thing I like. what can you do to escape
> consumerism -- which lends bad politics so much of its power.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >
> > here's a link to a political event in SF tomorrow
> > (tuesday 20110315):
> > http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/event.html?event_id=113305&id=26488-18847062-2m.k8Gx&t=1
> >
> > my sense of "hacking politics" is based on the
> > impression that noisebridge is highly open to and
> > welcomes any activities, as long as there's a
> > creative involvement, which is what i understand
> > to be the heart of hacking.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 22:45 -0700, Snail wrote:
> >> If you are not a hacker, you may just be a hack[er].
> >>
> >> BUUURRRN.
> >>
> >> Isn't it funny how the word which means an expert at programming could
> >> also mean someone who's unskilled in anything else? Does that mean
> >> people not skilled at computers are hackers regardless, or maybe
> >> inexpert people who can still hack a few working lines of code
> >> together are actually doing double the hacking than an expert? Does
> >> that mean I'm simultaneously the worst and greatest hacker ever, like
> >> a cat trapped in a box? WHY IS ENGLISH DOING THIS TO US.
> >>
> >> On another note, Merriam-Webster describes what the population of nb
> >> does at the space (I partake of 3 and 4a myself) in two of their many
> >> definitions. I'm just giddy now:
> >>
> >> hack (v)
> >> 3: loaf —usually used with around
> >> 4 a : to write computer programs for enjoyment
> >>
> >> Maybe I should host a breadmaking class, and while we sit around and
> >> wait for the bread to bake, people will wonder, "Are we hacking, or
> >> are we HACKING?" ["loaf"ing]
> >>
> >>
> >> -The hack writer [The kind of hack writer who's BAD at writing, not
> >> the kind who just writes on commission. -- I don't actually get paid
> >> for this.]
> >>
> >>
> >> To be more serious, I agree with Evan, and also don't. -- For one
> >> thing, the word hack has a robust set of definitions which existed
> >> before computers and can be applied far away from programs and
> >> machines [it's horses all the way down], but I agree that I've seen
> >> too many people apply it in a sense that doesn't actually make sense.
> >>
> >> Example: I don't know what hacking politics is supposed to mean based
> >> on this discussion. Are you going to get into politics successfully
> >> (general definition of hack) or you're going to find some sneaky,
> >> subversive (illegal) way to get something accomplished (stretching the
> >> definition of computer hacking to non-computer nouns) in politics? --
> >> I think real politicians already have us beat on the latter type of
> >> political hacking. Those fuckers.
> >>
> >> -Snail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Evan Bangham <ebangham at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> Attention, you cannot 'hack' politics, you cannot hack
> >> political parties, you cannot hack politicians, you cannot
> >> hack social issues, or fiscal policy. Please for the love of
> >> everything holey, stop it with this over application of the
> >> word 'hack'. If you do not write code, design circuits or at
> >> the very least create mechanical devices, you are not a
> >> hacker. Thats right, it's true, the jib is up, you're not a
> >> Non hacking hacker, not a anti hacking hacker, a sub hacker,
> >> or anything else. You're not a hacker, plain and simple.
> >>
> >> If people keep on using the word so loosely it will soon be
> >> devoid of all meaning and become, semantically speaking, a
> >> steaming dead carcass of the word it once was. Soon in the not
> >> so distant future we'll be saying shit like "I need to hack my
> >> underwear in the washing machine, because I forgot hack my ass
> >> when I was on the toilet taking a hack."
> >>
> >> I've had a lot of free time lately and I will start repeating
> >> this message everytime I see the word, or any derivatives
> >> thereof applied in a way that doesn't follow this simple
> >> definition.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Wladyslaw Zbikowski
> >> <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Corey McGuire
> >> <coreyfro at coreyfro.com> wrote:
> >> > If you care about your right to vote you need to
> >> watch this. This will
> >> > be the most informative hour of your life:
> >>
> >> I believe in direct action, not voting; that's why I
> >> became a hacker
> >> instead of an activist. I don't know (or care) what
> >> the fuck you are
> >> talking about, but if watching a video on MSNBC is
> >> really the most
> >> informative hour of my life, please drive to 2475 3rd
> >> St and kill me
> >> right now. Thanks.
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