[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] My Hair Is On Fire - Current events that are shaping your rights as we speak

[jim]

    in my experience, the earliest use of "hacker" among 
computer types was for coding (e.g. hackers' conference 
of 1984 or 5). 
    soon after, with growing awareness of the internet, 
people not directly in the coding community began to use 
"hacker" with the nefarious meaning you've described. 
    a fairly quick response from the coder set was to 
insist that "cracker" had the nefarious meaning and 
"hacker" was the code artist, possibly something of an 
untutored renegade, but most importantly enthusiastic, 
and not necessarily malevolent. 



On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 12:17 -0700, erik swedberg wrote:
> 
> 
> your use of the word hacker to describe people who do stuff with
> electronics and software is itself a co-opting of the term that used
> to have to do with breaking into systems (for fun, learning, or
> malice) and phreaking - the connotation includes a healthy dose of
> subversion - think war games, or guys in trench coats meeting in
> shopping mall food courts with well-worn vinge and brunner paperbacks
> in their pockets.
> 
> 
> it sometimes befuddles me that lots of people seem to have forgotten
> the history. think of all the awesome scientists and engineers who
> worked on electronics and software from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and
> 90s - sweet dudes with beards (and all these folks:
> http://www.luckham.org/LHL.Bell%20Labs%20Days.html): bell labs, the
> guys who wrote unix and its variants, the programmers for the atari
> 2600 games, woz, ham radio operators, the dudes who invented the
> transistor (http://www.corp.att.com/history/milestone_1947b.html), the
> guys who made the first video games using oscilloscopes - none of
> these folks were then called hackers, whereas now they would all
> qualify under our current definition.
> 
> 
> and the word is changing again, to be more inclusive of those not
> engaged in the dark arts. for the modern people who want a badge to be
> proud of their hard-earned electronics and computer skills, i propose
> a new word: hobbyist.
> 
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> -erik
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> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Evan Bangham <ebangham at gmail.com>
> To: rachel lyra hospodar <rachel at mediumreality.com>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 1:53:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] My Hair Is On Fire -
> Current events that are shaping your rights as we speak
> 
> I'm glad you asked. I'm afraid that I've done some thinking and I'm
> going to be back peddling from some of my previous statements.
> 
> Allow me to posit, if I may, that Noisebridge is a community that is
> made up of both makers and hackers.
> 
> Lets define hacking using these words using some of the verbiage we've
> previously laid out in the thread.
> 
> Hacking:
> "To attempt to solve a problem by artfully applying skills and tools
> in or closely related to the areas of computer programing or circuit
> design without reference to a plan or instructions." I don't think
> many would argue that it was people in software that started using the
> word in relation to writing software before it started to
> linguistically crawl its way into other circles.
> 
> Maker:
>  If you use this same definition as hacker and remove the reference to
> computer programming and circuits you have the word 'maker'. Makers a
> la Make magazine, make stuff using tools in a skillful manor without
> reference to instructions much as hackers do. The only difference is
> that making is not using code or circuits and is thus not considered
> hacking. Making can involve anything from sewing and crafts to
> designing and building bicycles.
> 
> By my definition of the words hacking and making, the building of
> robots for instance, is not hacking, but is in fact, a combination of
> making and hacking. Those that build robots could be either makers or
> hackers, or both. Building various components of a robot could, if
> involving software and electronics be considered hacking. For example,
> if I'm writing a quick and dirty piece of software to enable the robot
> to track some object using a camera, I'm hacking. If I'm building a
> robot arm using a metal shop, I'm no longer hacking, I'm making. 
> 
> In consideration of our robot example, one could come to the
> conclusion that it's natural for the definition of hacking to be
> intertwined with things that have historically, not been considered
> hacking. Clearly this fact does not suddenly make the words synonymous
> just because the skills are used in concert with each other. Any
> broadening of the definition of hacking to suddenly include all forms
> of making are simply an appeal to some sort of linguistic relativism.
> 
> My motives for starting this discussion is that we hackers have spent
> time and sacrifice learning our craft. All those nights in front of
> the keyboard, staring at the glowing screen or heads buried in books,
> learning gate logic and object oriented design patterns take their
> toll on the body and spirit. From society at large we are in some
> cases scorned and alienated.  Given these sacrifices, we wear the our
> badge of hacker with pride, that is pride in our ability to make (or
> break) cool shit with electronics and software as our reward.
> 
> Now we have a situation where non hacker activists see that we apply
> our specially honed skills in technology evermore in the capacity to
> fight against government and corporation's attacks on our freedoms.
> They see that because we are outcasts that we are beholden to no one
> but our selves and are own free ideas. This leads the non hacker
> activists to think "hey man, that's hip, thats cool, these people
> fight the power in such a creative and awesome way!" "I want in on
> that piece of pie and become an individualist hacker like those other
> guys!" so they appropriate our word and our institutions for their own
> means to help cheerlead and message for their own non hacking related
> ideas and groups.
> 
> Hackers and makers love political involvement and we have groups like
> the EFF doing our bidding, so it makes sense to have groups inside
> noisebridge  that specialize in politicking(for lack of a better
> word).  Its when people start calling the act civic engagement hacking
> that a line has been crossed. Its at this point that the word has been
> misappropriated and the effect of this miss appropriation of the word
> hacker, is to minimize the importance of the skills that we sacrificed
> our time and sanity for. 
> 
> This swindling of our brand disempowers us and our community. In my
> conversation with various hackers in noisebridge (Cobalt being one of
> them) I've been told that noisebridge's failure to dedicate itself to
> hackers and that its all inclusiveness, is limiting their involvement
> at noisebridge. I'm not in complete agreement with that view, but when
> I'm hearing hackers aren't willing to come to noisebridge to start
> cool projects because people with the necessary skills to help them do
> so aren't available at noisebridge, partially due to non hackers and
> non makers infringing upon the space, making hackers feel unwelcome.
> This disappoints me greatly.
> 
> Noisebridge is a community of makers and hackers, but they are not one
> and the same. Noisebridge embraces makers and hackers equally and
> rightfully so because both are a means to making cool shit that
> requires a wide range of skills to produce. Makers can directly help
> hackers and vice versa. Hackers need food to survive just like anyone
> else, lets have some cooking classes, both hackers and makers benefit,
> great! Hackers like beer, let's make some beer, awesome! Makers like
> making stuff out of wood and metal, hackers like coding and circuits,
> lets make some robots.
> 
> Its when we have a breakdown of the partnership between makers and
> hackers that there is friction. Let's say some makers start hosting
> classes like "hacking yoga". Oh wait, that's already happening isn't
> it? It would be all good if there were coders or electrical
> engineering types in the class, but if I had to bet, it would be that
> they are very much in the minority in that class. Now that we've got
> makers, non makers and non hackers using the label of hacking for a
> yoga class that hackers do not benefit from, naturally this makes the
> hackers pissed off.
> 
> This is why people who do code and circuits get pissed off when the
> see the word hacker used so loosely. I hope this lets people better
> understand the situation at a kind of sociological level at least.
> This is not just some pet peeve, it is very real and its effects can't
> be positive for the community at noisebridge.
> 
> 
> Fuck I should start a new project "Hacking Noisebridge"
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:30 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> <rachel at mediumreality.com> wrote:
>         
>         What does it mean, to hack?
>         
>         Is sewing hacking?  garments are a technological system we use
>         to
>         regulate temperature.  I use a machine to modify them,
>         creatively and in
>         contravention of established norms.
>         
>         If yes, what about other dimensional art forms?  i just used a
>         table saw
>         on plywood, is that hacking?  Plywood is a highly engineered
>         material.
>         Is this only hacking if i use it as a truss, so that its
>         properties are
>         called on to distribute force?  what if i use it for its
>         unnatural flatness?
>         
>         if no, what about if i sew a circuitboard into a garment?  is
>         it only
>         hacking when there is conductive thread in my machine?  what
>         about when
>         i am sewing an insulation layer?
>         
>         Stop saying what isn't and define what is!
>         
>         On 3/14/2011 11:36 PM, Evan Bangham wrote:
>         > Politics|Cooking|Art|Writing != Hacking
>         >
>         > Yes, hacking can involve creativity and breaking established
>         norms, but you
>         > can't just use it as a blanket term to describe doing
>         anything that involves
>         > these things.
>         >
>         <snip>
>         >
>         > The slow food hacking thing I suppose enters the realm of
>         hacking to a
>         > limited extent because it is using chemistry and the like,
>         and I imagine is
>         > subversive in some way. I could say the same about
>         photography and the like
>         > as long as it breaking the established norms of the medium
>         and is harnessing
>         > technology in some way. Traditional fine art however, can
>         never be 'hacked'
>         > because it is just so far removed from the realm of anything
>         related to
>         > technology or science.
>         >
>         > I think in many senses I'm being far to accommodating for
>         these expanded
>         > definitions of the term as it is though.
>         >
> 
> 
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