[Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand

Jake jake at spaz.org
Sat Nov 19 02:22:21 UTC 2011

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> By early I would guess he is saying we should talk more about goals needs
> etc. before going shopping.

yes, let's talk about such things.  What would you like NoiseLand to be 
like?  What are your goals?

I think that many of us City-dwellers would be unable to dedicate 
ourselves full-time to such a project, but by banding together with a 
like-minded community as we have done, we can create a resource for all of 

Depending on what size and kind of land we get, we could have from a 
medium-sized garden to a large-scale agricultural operation.  I would like 
to see something in the middle, where the land would be able to produce at 
least enough food for the people living there.

is a wiki, so people can add their own ideas to the page itself, but 
really we should continue to talk about it in this thread or on a separate 
Noiseland-discuss list, if one gets created.  But for now it should stay 

You mention that you can get cheap land if you're willing to die alone, 
cold and hungry on top of a mountain, but before Noisebridge found a 
rental space I did not believe that we could afford anything close to the 
mission, or any BART station.  I have been proven wrong, but now I know 
that we could buy an A+ parcel of land without comprimise by pooling our 

I have added your list of attributes to consider to the wiki, and now i'm 
adding a Proposed uses and purposes of NoiseLand.  I invite others to do 
the same but they should also post such ideas to this thread, since 
otherwise people may not notice who have "already read" the wiki.

1. A place for people from the Noisebridge community to go to get away 
from the city
2. A place for people from the Noisebridge and NoiseLand community to live 
and work
3. Gardening, Farming, Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mushroom growing
4. A base from which to hunt wild animals and pick wild mushrooms
5. Somewhere to build giant projects
6. A place to experiment with solar energy collection
7. Robot Orange Pickers
8. Drugs and wild parties in the woods
9. Naked all the time
10. All the benefits of owning a giant parcel of land but shared 
responsibility and cost

I dare you to add #11

P.S. also, your dog.

> Distance from city - geographic, driving time. Distance from medical
> services. Growing season. Terrain (hilliness, arability, suitability for
> proposed uses). Water supply. Availability of services (power, internet,
> sewage, roads/maintenance). Poison oak, or no?
> There is lots of amazing land in california, and if you are willing to cling
> to a mountaintop it's pretty cheap. It might be helpful to narrow down what
> it's for and what the parameters are before picking a region.
> R.
> mediumreality.com
> On Nov 18, 2011 4:17 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>       What do you mean by Early?  I don't understand.
>       I looked for Jupiter, CA on google maps and it didn't come up,
>       it's too bad because it would be really cool to convince all the
>       other hackerspaces that we have an outpost on Jupiter.
>       Whats the environment like out there?  I prefer temperatures
>       between 50 and 90 degrees.  I guess i will look at google maps
>       and see what color it is from space.
>       It's true that 40 minutes down a dirt road is a bit much,
>       although i would be okay with 20 personally.  But it really
>       depends on the other merits of the land.. lush and green, or tan
>       and rocky make all the difference.
>       On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, michael o wrote:
>             this sounds like a great idea! though it is early
>             for looking for property,
>             might I suggest looking in Tuolumne county 3 hours
>             east of SF. my family has
>             land out in the 'suburb' called 'Jupiter' though 40
>             minutes down a dirt road
>             is not really what you are looking for but I there
>             are other spots near and
>             around, including down out by James town going
>             toward wards ferry.  look at
>             a map and check it out, it's beautiful out there and
>             the land is cheap. 
>             On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Jake
>             <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>                  I have been inspired to create NoiseLand, a
>             wiki page which will
>                  hopefully
>                  lead to the purchase of a large parcel of land
>             in Northern
>                  California.
>                  https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/NoiseLand
>                  If we have enough resources, someone should
>             create a NoiseLand
>                  discussion
>                  list, to supplement the wiki page.  But let the
>             discussion begin
>                  here and
>                  now.
>                  -jake
>                  Ben wrote:
>                  > I am curious as to your ideas for sustainable
>             community
>                  living. See,
>                  > it's really hard to consume no processed or
>             produced goods and
>                  make
>                  > everything yourself when one lives as our
>             society has
>                  dictated: as
>                  > consumers. As consumers we are all sealed off
>             in our own
>                  little boxes
>                  > (prisons actually or one might say the cave)
>             scrabbling to get
>                  the
>                  > latest shiny and fuck everybody else, it's
>             all about me son
>                  along with
>                  > the sure belief that no matter what, it
>             surely is someone
>                  else's fault.
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