[Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand

Liz Henry liz at bookmaniac.org
Sat Nov 19 19:36:13 UTC 2011

I'm also interested in Noiseland! I've lived in several different 
co-operative houses, and though I didn't set any of them up, I loved 
working and living within them. Let's make a Noiseland mailing list to 
go along with the developing wiki page.

- liz

On 11/19/11 11:08 AM, Mitch Altman wrote:
> I started a commune.  Yup, I did.  I learned an immense amount from
> its spectacular, miserable, traumatic failures (though it is still
> going on, and many people I have bumped into over the years
> (including someone just last night) have told me that they have been
> there, and that they loved their experiences visiting there), much of
> which I put to good use in discussing and implementing ways for
> Noisebridge to have much better chances of success at the ongoing
> social experiment that it is (and I'm almost always amazed at how
> well Noisebridge succeeds -- better than all my fantasies back before
> we started). If folks interested in NoiseLand get together for a
> meeting, I'd be happy to share my experiences and what I learned
> along the way of starting a commune. Mitch. From:
> alex.glowaski at gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:10:52 -0800 To:
> algoldor at yahoo.com CC: moped45 at gmail.com;
> colin_dodsworth at hotmail.com; aaron at spaz.org;
> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net Subject: Re:
> [Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand
> I'd add goal #12 - in order to make it more self-supporting, choose a
> craft (or several) that can be easily taught, manufactured on-site,
> and exported.
>> From reading the wiki, it looks we're expecting a monetary return
>> (to "garnish" in order to pay back initial donors). For centuries,
>> monks have been paying for imported goods this way, and modern
>> intentional communities have picked up on it... One is mentioned
>> already in the wiki, and I know of another (Twin Oaks) that
>> supported itself in part by selling handmade hammocks to Pier One.
>> The Shakers and the Amish also do this.
> What can we sell? Repairs? Boats? Specially-designed LED lighting?
> Something reasonably interesting and easy, which is desirable and in
> line with progressive values. I suggest producing sustainable solar,
> wind, and human-powered energy sources. It sounds like solar energy
> is of interest, and it's widely seen as exceesively expensive, so we
> could start by producing fairly low-cost "plug and play" units. We
> could also make bike generators - a longtime interest of mine, though
> I have no idea where to get started. Very useful for people to learn,
> great to own, and we could easily get donated bikes (regular and
> stationary-exercise types), as well as possibly motors of various
> types. Newbies can easily help out with one, then more steps of the
> process, as they learn about electricity and welding. All these
> products are also great to have around in a secluded spot, and
> completely quiet - except for the grunting of bicyclists... Of
> course, the difficulty is exporting them - but that mainly applies to
> the bike generators. Perhaps we could produce kits.
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Liz Henry
liz at bookmaniac.org

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evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ

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