[Noisebridge-discuss] Are people okay with people sleeping at the Noisebridge space?

Fri Oct 14 22:03:07 UTC 2011

I oppose this and I don't see at all that "the membership decided"!

Al, you are awesome and I like you in general.  So how about this as a 
proposal: Come by the space at the times when you want to hang out and 
hack on things, and as long as you aren't somehow greatly disturbed by 
the other people in the space, and no one is messing with your stuff or 
the projects you want to do, have a nice time.  Then, go home...?

Did you even read my earlier emails about being at the space at 1am and 
it being lively, fun, welcoming, safe, and nice ?

Best,

- Liz

On 10/14/11 1:48 PM, Al Sweigart wrote:
> If the only problem is that someone would be needed to, as you oddly
> put it, "play asshole" then I could volunteer for that. Actually,
> implementing that part is not only feasible but it's the easiest part
> of this suggestion.
>
> The hard part is that I would need the backing of the community so
> that I don't have to get into nightly arguments with people who say
> that Noisebridge isn't closing down. I'll only get that if we talk
> about this and come to a decision as a group. There might still be a
> fuss some nights, but being able to say that it isn't just me
> do-acratically closing up Noisebridge for the night but this is what
> the membership decided adds a lot of weight.
>
> I'd only have to do regularly for a few weeks, then it becomes just
> another part of Noisebridge culture and other people can make the
> announcement. If we miss it some nights, that's not going to be a big
> deal because by then the people who come to Noisebridge regularly
> expecting a place to crash will have realized that that isn't a
> reliable option anymore.
>
> Change seems scary at first because we have a lot of wild speculation
> about how it'll destroy everything we like about the space, but
> Noisebridge will still be Noisebridge. I don't see a reason why we
> have to be as conservative as we are.
>
> Rachel, I'd hate to see you leave over something like this because you
> make a lot of valuable contributions to the space. I don't think this
> is something to burn bridges over.
>
> -Al
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:21 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> <rachelyra at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I am unwilling to tell people who are working on projects to leave the space
>> at any time and would rather break off my relationship with noisebridge than
>> support changing the way we function to require this.
>>
>> We could try cultivating a situation where if you are not a member AND not
>> visibly hacking (how the hell do we police that?) then at midnight somebody
>> has to play asshole... honestly i'd like to see *someone who is regularly
>> there at that time* suggesting this is at all feasible or desireable because
>> my experience suggests otherwise.
>>
>> R.
>>
>> mediumreality.com
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2011 10:40 AM, "Al Sweigart"<asweigart at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> It would require buy-in from the community, which is why it's
>>> something we'd need to talk about and agree on rather than just
>>> implement do-acratically. At ten to midnight or whenever, members
>>> would announce that Noisebridge is closing up to guests in ten
>>> minutes, thank them for coming by, and tell them it'll open up to the
>>> public at 7am, and also mention the membership binder and the process
>>> on becoming a member. (If we do this do-acractically, there'll just be
>>> nightly arguments between members trying to close up and members
>>> telling people they can stay.)
>>>
>>> If the membership fee is too much for them, they can put their
>>> membership on hiatus after becoming a member. (The reason people
>>> haven't done that before now is because there's no difference between
>>> hiatus members and non-members, except that the former has passed the
>>> membership process.) Also, to give people time to become members, we
>>> could make this effective four or five weeks after we agree to it.
>>>
>>> I think this would single-handedly fix 90% of the sleeper problem (in
>>> my experience of waking people up in the morning, it's almost always
>>> non-members) and also encourage people to become members. I'm not sure
>>> what percentage of the thefts happen at night, but I'm fairly sure
>>> they aren't done by members or the regulars (who would become members
>>> at this point).
>>>
>>> -Al
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Rachel McConnell<rachel at xtreme.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> This is actually a serious question, not (merely) a rhetorical device.
>>>> We could simply say, X-Y times are "members only", with no enforcement,
>>>> and let it self-police as we do with Be Excellent.  In that case, all
>>>> the people who are excellent, and are not members, would comply, and not
>>>> come during those hours, to our loss.  People who are willing to steal
>>>> things, leave messes behind, and/or sleep there overnight, are not going
>>>> to comply voluntarily.  Such a rule would require enforcement.  How
>>>> could we do that?
>>>>
>>>> Rachel
>>>>
>>>> On 10/13/11 3:34 PM, Andy Isaacson wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 01:44:31PM -0700, Jonathan Foote wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil
>>>>>> <gian.pablo at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, I'm seriously suggesting "members only"! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am as well. As are a lot of other people who have resigned out of
>>>>>> exasperation (I'm close).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry to hear that you're thinking of resigning, Jonathan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in favor of continuing Noisebridge's open access policy.  I don't
>>>>> think that changing to "members only" (I agree with Rachel, how the
>>>>> heck
>>>>> would that work!?!?!) would improve the space.
>>>>>
>>>>> -andy
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