[Noisebridge-discuss] Tomorrow night's meeting [Oh you know if it's me it's drama]

Matt Joyce matt at nycresistor.com
Tue Apr 10 00:54:01 UTC 2012

Justin take this as a helpful suggestion.

1.  Proof read your e-mail's content.

2.  Break up the text a bit.  Contiguous blocks of text do not read well.

3.  Wait about 20 minutes minimum.  Optimally a full 24 hours before
clicking send after accomplishing the first couple of suggestions.
Then do a final read, and ask yourself aloud...  "Do I really want to
send this e-mail to another person?"  If the answer is still yes click
send.  If not, discard.


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Justin Doerr <justinsfca at gmail.com> wrote:
> I welcome feedback, and I do want to come in and start hacking. My project
> involving making my tablet PC is of significant importance to me especially
> since I don't have a computer anymore because I took it apart at Noisebridge
> and salvaged only the parts that I needed for making a touch screen tablet.
> My primary intentions are not to start drama, and I'm not just saying
> that as a way to excuse myself, I really mean it. However, I can't wait
> around forever for Robert to feel comfortable enough to follow through with
> the process of mediation of in which everyone except Robert, and including
> myself wants us to go about doing. I admit I'm on the fence of going about
> the mediation process. I'm only doing it because the community wants me to,
> not because I want to. I simply feel as if he is being hypocritical for
> accusing me of things he is entirely capable of doing himself, if not worse,
> and yet I'm the one being subjected to threats of being banned from the
> space, when he himself gets let off with no penalty of any sort whatsoever?
> I just don't think it's fair at all. To me, there is a significant
> difference between spitting on people and trying to stab them, and I only
> bring that up because I want to shed light upon the fact that Robert is just
> as capable of being violent and irrational as I am when under the heavy
> influence of alcohol (and in his case, alcohol and drugs), and I think it's
> wrong to have mercy upon him entering the space yet to grimace upon the idea
> of me being allowed to come back in. Drinking in the hackerspace is wrong,
> given Noisebridge should be a space where one comes in to grow brain cells
> rather than kill them off, and I've sought solace for that by attending AA
> meetings and therapy. I am aware that what I did was stupid and wrong, and
> I'm seeking help, which is more than I feel he can say. He has done nothing,
> but manages to complain about some other BS regarding the improper usage of
> a projector via discuss which again is something he himself is yet again
> just as capable of improperly using himself. I think Robert is an asshole,
> and the very last thing I want to do while I am at Noisebridge is consort or
> communicate with him whatsoever. I want him to leave me alone and to never
> talk to me again quite honestly, because I feel that although what I did was
> stupid, his actions during and prior to my episode are just as unforgivable
> as well.
> To summarize, I am thoroughly discontent with the way this process is being
> handled. I think that Robert should leave and not be allowed to come back
> until he is ready to go through the mediation process as well, or I feel
> that both of us should be allowed to coexist with one another in the space,
> or that we immediately go through the process of mediation as in tomorrow,
> not two or three months from now. At this point I have no sympathy as to
> whether or not he feels ready, especially with the way I feel I've been
> mistreated by him. Any other proposals to me are unjust, because it involves
> Robert being allowed to fool around at the space, or waste his time accusing
> others of things he does himself, while I get to be ostracized and
> vilified.... Noisebridge is just as much my adult playground for learning
> and growing as a person as it is his and ours. The only reason why I want to
> go to tomorrow's meeting is to bring this up, because I know I can't rely on
> anyone else but myself to represent me, and quite frankly I'm really over
> the drama and I'm ready to move on. I've already informed him that I intend
> to go to tomorrow's meeting and that if he doesn't feel comfortable, he
> doesn't have to attend.
> - Justin
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:24 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> hello,
>> i unfortunately will not be available to attend this meeting, however i
>> do have a problem with this approach and would suggest that mediation
>> would be a good step PRIOR to reentering the space.
>> Justin, you often say you are willing to learn and yet here you are,
>> excusing yourself instead of apologizing, talking instead of hacking,
>> and i for one am disappointed at the approach you are taking and do not
>> think it is appropriate for you to come to the meeting.
>> R.
>> On 4/9/2012 12:22 PM, Justin Doerr wrote:
>> > So I am giving everyone fair warning in advance that I plan to attend
>> > tomorrow night's meeting prior to the mediation process between Robert
>> > Chu and I being complete. I want to share my sentiments and how I feel a
>> > month after the drama has passed and I feel I have the right to defend
>> > myself and voice my opinion, especially considering how hung over and
>> > traumatized I was at the last meeting. I've informed Robert I'm coming
>> > and I don't want people to be alarmed, hence this email. Also, it would
>> > be great if the drama in the meeting notes would be reduced to as
>> > minimal detail as possible, as much as I love being a celebrity here, I
>> > admit I'm not interested in this being publicized for everyone's
>> > leisure. I can't wait until I can actually get to hacking and not have
>> > to ever post drama on the discuss list or other forms of media ever
>> > again. It's seriously like an episode of Ricki Lake here sometimes.
>> > That's all I have to say. Thanks.
>> >
>> > -Justin Patrick Doerr
>> >
>> >
>> >
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