[Noisebridge-discuss] [DRAMA] Re: ron you are a troll

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Mon Apr 23 20:53:45 UTC 2012

And stop trolling.  Sorry for feeding.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> So here is what was discussed privately before this went to the list from
> me:
> Jake,
> This is a really strange email from you and completely out of the norm.  I
> double and triple check the headers.  It is really you.  What would make
> you all of the sudden send an email like this?  This is a pretty
> unexcellent email to the noisebridge discuss list since I am sure those
> spammers google for that email address, the second yahoo.com one.
>  Regardless, I am going to answer your question about my dealings with the
> FBI.  I would suggest reading
> http://www.reverse.net/operationcyberslam.pdf .  This is the actual
> criminal complaint.  The people arrested were the DDOS mafia see:
> https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=ddos+mafia .
> Basically some kid on irc was stealing my friends nickname.  I just said
> hey can you give it back since it was just a bot.  They responded by
> ddosing my shell.  So I went in on another shell and called them a kiddie.
>  They did it again.  All in all, they got 5 or so of my shells.  They also
> hit my home internet connection.  Total bandwidth towards me and all my
> machiens was ~500 mbit which was a lot back then.  Anywho, this continued
> on for a month.  At the end, they got arrested like a year later or
> something, foonet(the colocation provider/bulletproof hosting that was
> partially behidnt his) got raided and I got perma banned from comcast
> internet at my parents house for running a server(apparently when they were
> ddosing me, they pegged the router for my subnet).  It was a very very
> unpleasant experience.
> For a quick background if you don't want to click the above links, they
> were blackmailing people.  They would ddos people and say HEY WE CAN HOST
> YOUR SITE AND HANDLE THESE "DDOS" ATTACKS, because they were the ones doing
> the ddos.  I didn't know this at the time but they were just being kiddies.
>  The ones that give hackers a bad name.  This email also didn't go to the
> noisebridge discuss list, since you cced it.  It is stuck in moderation and
> I would hope you would leave it there since it is pretty clear I was a big
> victim.  I hope this answers your questions.
> And here is his response:
> Hi Ron,
> I wasn't trying to be unexcellent, i thought you self-identified as a
> "troll" and I was handing you the email address of some scammers hoping you
> would want to have a little fun at their expense.  The email address I
> included in my message would have been changed to kathykulmer atyahoo.com automatically
> by the list server, but even if it hadn't i can't imagine the scammers,
> upon finding it in a google search, would decide to take on a whole
> hackerspace community if they could just ignore it.
> as for my last sentence about talking with the FBI, it was the result of a
> quick google search on your name to make sure I was writing to the right
> ron.  I was surprised by it and, while I understand what you're telling me
> about what went down, I am generally not one to want to do the FBI's job
> for them if I can help it, and I thought (and still think) it was a valid
> question.
> I will leave it to the moderators to decide whether to post my message or
> hold it up.  If you are the moderator who is holding it up, I think you
> should discuss it with the other moderators and effectively recuse yourself
> from the decision because while i'm not trying to go after you for
> something that happened in 2003, I think it is an important topic for
> people to discuss in the community we're all a part of.  This stuff didn't
> stop happening after operation cyberslam and i'm sure if you had been more
> prepared at that time by public discussions with more experienced people,
> you might have done things differently.
> what do you think of that?
> -jake
> by the way, I have been in the hotseat with cops and three-letter types
> and asked to provide names and information on other people, and I held out,
> so i'm not speaking from zero experience.
> I have nothing to hide here.  The decision I made was not easy.  It was
> basically the fact that these individuals that were attacking my friends
> machines as well as my own.  I spent considerable time talking to the
> sysadmins of the other machines being attacked.  One of them decided to
> contact the FBI and I decided I wanted the "hackers"(read as script
> kiddies) to stop bugging me.  As far as being a self addressed troll, that
> is more in jest.  Ask the people at noisebridge who actually spend time
> with me.  They know I am just a nice guy who likes to help.  I try not to
> cause harm to anyone emotionally or physically.  It caused financial harm
> to some of them and other machines that I went through got evicted from
> their colo facilities.   Sometimes, believe it or not, the government and
> us hackers have a common enemy (people that made the term hacker have
> negative connotations).  They made legitimate people doing cool things look
> like bad people.  Finally that is starting to change.  We should be doing
> more shunning of these people and purge them from our midst so we can get
> back to doing cool things.
> This is the second time a valued noisebridge member has been unexcellent
> to me, even if you do not think it was.  I do not see how this is relevant
> at all to anything noisebridge or hacking related.  If you want to have a
> little fun at their expense, figure out who they are and send them a box of
> AOL cd's.   I have nothing to hide at all ever from anyone.
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>> Same reason you did jake.
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> > ron you are a troll
>> >
>> > now make yourself useful and troll this scammer, below.
>> >
>> > email them at the reply-to address, not the ****** address (****** is a
>> real
>> > person who does not need any more hassle)
>> >
>> > just be like, "oh no Kathy, what can i do to help?"
>> >
>> > if you need tips, go to 419eater.com
>> >
>> > by the way, why did you talk to the FBI on March 7, 2003?
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: kathy ****** <kathy******@yahoo.com>
>> > Reply-To: kathykulmer at yahoo.com
>> > To: undisclosed recipients:  ;
>> > Subject: Philippine Trip : Kathy ******
>> >
>> > I am writing this with tears in my eyes, I came down here to
>> > Manila,Philippine with my Family for a short vacation unfortunately we
>> were
>> > mugged and robbed at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all
>> cash,credit
>> > card and cell were stolen off us  but luckily for us we still have our
>> lives
>> > and passport saved .
>> >
>> > We've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping
>> issues
>> > at all and our flight  leaves in less than 5hrs from now but we are
>> having
>> > problems settling the hotel bills  and the hotel  manager won't let us
>> leave
>> > until we settle the bills about ($1,950 USD) Can you help us out,Get
>> back to
>> > immediately to let you know the easiest way to get the fund to us or How
>> > much can you help with?
>> >
>> > We are  freaked out at the moment.
>> >
>> > Regrads,
>> > Kathy
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> --
> Ronald Cotoni
> Systems Engineer

Ronald Cotoni
Systems Engineer
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