[Noisebridge-discuss] Late night noisebridge, not so great for working anymore.

[Andrew Byrne]

If I could "like" an e-mail, I would do that here. Instead, I will respond
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word.
-AnB

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> I heard about this and the person described was doing the same thing
> before.  I ask that anyone who sees that person to tell them to leave and
> not come back until they come to a meeting to talk about it.  Don't wait
> for them to get drunk, or for it to get late, but do consider gathering a
> couple of people with you who know enough about the situation to agree with
> you.
>
> If you see this person, go around the space and find other people who know
> about the problem.  Ask them to join with you to tell the person that they
> must leave until the next meeting.  If the person refuses, please do not
> give up.  They are trying to wear you down, but they will fail.  Continue
> to insist that they leave until the next meeting at which time they can
> challenge your request for them to leave.
>
> A few weeks ago a problem person was confronted by three people.  This
> person raised their voice and expressed that we had no right to kick them
> out, even though the meeting was the next night.  Eventually others came to
> see what the fuss was about and they could clearly see that this person was
> being unreasonable.  The problem personsaw that more and more people were
> united in seeing this confrontation come to a reasonable end and they
> eventually gave up, after insulting everyone but complying with the demand
> that they give up their key.
>
> they did not come back for the meeting, thank god.
>
> it is necessary to make the space a better place, indeed to keep it from
> becoming crappy, to do these difficult things and confront the problems.
> There is no way around it.
>
> Nobody is asking you to confront a problem person by yourself, but rather
> to go around and find others who agree that it is a problem, and get some
> of them to join you (the others give their sitting support to your action)
> and confront the person with a group of at least three.
>
> The person mentioned below has used up their chances and should be made to
> leave the next time they show up at the space.  They can come back to a
> meeting to talk about it if they so choose.
>
> -jake
>
>
>
> Robert "Finny" Merrill wrote:
> I went to NB for the first time in quite a while last night, and
> around 10 or 11 I think, I noticed that there seemed to be a lot of
> drunkenness and rowdy socializing going on. I'm not an enemy of
> drunkenness and rowdy socializing, but one particular individual
> (whose name iirc was Jessie, and was a friend of someone else named
> Martin) was rather sloshed and repeatedly approached me, interrupted
> what I was doing and spewed rather rude insults at me because I was
> trying to get work done instead of getting drunk like him (I am not
> kidding, he actually said "I am offended by the fact that you guys
> aren't drunk"). Whenever someone tried to tell him his behavior was
> inappropriate, he responded by insulting them and what they were
> doing, trying to fight them, and throwing small objects around the
> space.
>
> I observed several people get up from their work and leave as a direct
> result of this.
>
> I did not feel comfortable kicking him out because I did not think he
> would respond to anything short of threats to call the police, and as
> a non-member I have no legal standing to have someone removed from the
> space.
>
> Also, several other people in the space defended his conduct, one in
> particular saying that I should just deal with it and that I should
> take his insults as, in her words "constructive criticism".
>
> I feel like while most people who drink and socialize in the space are
> not disruptive, the fact that drinking and socializing are so
> tolerated leads people like this to believe their actions are okay. I
> think we need to make it clear that if you are not working, you should
> at the very least not be bothering people who are.
>
> -Finny
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