[Noisebridge-discuss] we made Delta leave at 2AM
embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com
Thu Feb 16 05:16:12 UTC 2012
I have spoken in depth with Delta several times over the past few
weeks, mainly trying to engage him in some hacking project. The
conclusion I reached is that if someone enters the space for a reason
other than hacking, it is pointless to try to force them to hack as a
condition for staying. This is particularly true in the case of the
"marginal" people now staying here. They simply have no place else to
go: if you tell them they have to stand on one leg, they will; if you
tell them to hack, they will tell you they are or are going to. Delta
is by no means unique in this regard, nor is he particularly an
asshole. He's just a struggling person who needs more help than
Noisebridge can offer.
An important consideration in dealing with these people is they can't
all be expected to function at the same cognitive level as your
typical hacker. Forcing Delta (and his friends) to pretend to be
hackers is not just pointless, but also cruel. Expecting them to
meaningfully participate in a weekly meeting is not always realistic.
I am urging anyone who is hanging out at Noisebridge just getting in
the way, to come back for classes and public events but stay out
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Ben Kochie <superq at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this is the point where Delta should be promoted to an entry on 86.
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 08:32, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
>> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> delta came back just now, and when i wouldn't let him in he started
>>> yelling about needing his copyrighted song lyrics that were left in the
>>> space, and threatened to call the authorities. because they were
>>> copyrighted, this was supposed to somehow get him entry into the space.
>> Occupy the Intellectual Property!
>>> this reduces my optimism for his willingness to enter a beautiful
>>> montage where he becomes a hacker.
>> Yeah, that's not going to win many people over...
>> For those of you who don't know Delta, he's in this video of him at Occupy SF:
>> Is there anyone else people should be asking to leave and come back to
>> Tuesday meeting?
>>> On 2/15/2012 2:52 AM, Jake wrote:
>>>> Delta was here after the meeting and since several stories had been shared
>>>> about him, and we were all familiar with them, we decided to make him
>>>> leave. Jake Rayc Rachelyra Eric Pearl
>>>> He had left the space about 1:30AM after asking everyone if they wanted to
>>>> give him money for him to make fudge later. I don't know if anyone wanted
>>>> Around when he was leaving, Zach was leaving with his scooter and asked
>>>> Delta not to park his bike in the wheelchair access path to the elevator.
>>>> Delta was apparently rude to zach and argumentative and hostile with him.
>>>> Zach says Delta was "angry" about it. "he was being a really big dick."
>>>> When Delta returned from the store with ingredients for fudge, about five
>>>> of us all said "i'll help make him leave right now" and so we all stood up
>>>> and went to him as he was getting off his bike.
>>>> We explained to him that we had talked about him at the meeting, which he
>>>> hadn't attended, and also after the meeting, and that we had decided that
>>>> we didn't want him to come here anymore except if he wanted to come to a
>>>> meeting to talk about it.
>>>> We tried to explain to him that the majority of noisebridgers do not view
>>>> leaving noisebridge for a week as a big deal, and that we appreciated him
>>>> not making a big deal out of it.
>>>> He tried to talk his way out of it and we all took turns explaining to him
>>>> that it wasn't up for discussion and that he could come to the meeting to
>>>> talk about it, or join the discuss list to talk about it.
>>>> Then he needed a bag to put his groceries into (that he had bought to make
>>>> us fudge that we didn't want) and then he started chatting with his
>>>> friends who were already here. They were alternately commiserating with
>>>> him saying that things around here were like "the lord of the flies" and
>>>> also telling him that they had warned him that "we are all guests here".
>>>> Eventually he left, with his friends taking him downstairs to roll him a
>>>> last cigarette.
>>>> I didn't witness his interaction with Zach, but i could tell that if there
>>>> hadn't been a group of five of us assertively telling him that the
>>>> decision had been made, he would have argued back a lot more.
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