[Noisebridge-discuss] PsychedelicSF

Wed Feb 29 08:23:14 UTC 2012

I've actually always wondered why people think they are "better" at certain
things when they are on psychadelics. Realize this is coming from someone
who has never been on them (and unfortunately, if I want to keep a job
along my current interest lines...which I do...then I won't be able to).

Personally, I think a clinical trial on the effect of psychadelics would be
really interesting. Unfortunately, from the "studies" mentioned by previous
posters and the "trials" that could be ongoing, none appear to be very
legit. Reason being, it doesn't look like any have been registered by the
FDA...

If you are running a defacto, peer-reviewed clinical trial with the intent
of using the results to sway a regulatory body, you *must*, repeat *must*
register that trial with the FDA. All trials registered with the FDA get
posted to the website clinicaltrials.gov to give open access to anyone
interested in participating. To run a clinical trial, you must have a
defined endpoint - you can't just "feel great". You have to have raised
brain activity, or reduced disease levels by mri, or increased appetite,
really *anything* at all measureable, and you have to define what that is
up front before starting the trial.

So, I think the interesting question I pose to the crowd that I think you'd
have to answer at some point is: "what does a psychadelic do that
conclusively cures an ailment or increases a capacity that can be
measured?" Considering *that* question would be hacking (errr...science!)
imo. Sitting around talking about seeing cool colors? Not so much.

Sean
 On Feb 28, 2012 7:20 PM, <glamortramp at riseup.net> wrote:

> I'm in support of the project, and my support has nothing to do with
> "let's trip out together!" ulterior motives......the last time I ingested
> a psychedelic substance was in Seattle in 1999. I don't regret the
> two-year phase of my life when I experimented rather heavily with
> psychedelics, though. It was interesting, and indeed expanded my psychic
> and imaginative horizons. I credit that time with the heightened
> perceptiveness (what I sometimes refer to as a sixth sense or psychic
> ability) that I've long felt I possess, along with some others. I'm still
> undecided as to whether I possessed that ability before I experimented
> with psychedelics, though.
>
>
> gl at m
>
> > Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest we should have groups of people ingesting
> > psilocybins at Noisebridge, any more than I think we should invite the
> > public to play, responsibly, of course, with depleted uranium, because
> > it’s “Science!” [Magnus Pyke voice]
> >
> >
> > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:30:23 -0800
> > From: vonguard at gmail.com
> > To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] PsychedelicSF
> >
> > Here's my thought: actually researching and creating new psychedelic
> > chemicals is totally awesome sciency hacking. Taking them, not so much.
> >
> > As Noisebridge has no chemical lab, this group is kinda sol, and would be
> > better off dosing elsewhere. Imagine the chaos if a tripping hippy ended
> > up on Mission st.... oh wait, we don't have to imagine. Just walk a few
> > blocks and you can see it happening right now. Its not pretty.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 28, 2012 4:18 PM, "Eric Vinyl" <vinyl876 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > While it's true that Hippies Ruin Everything(tm) I think "hacking
> > consciousness" is indeed a valid endeavour. Despite the touchy-feely,
> > Ren-Faire-juggler tone of the announcement, this is definitely something
> > smart people might be interested in, even if it's not tech-related
> > specifically. Pushing sewing, for example, as the "interaction between
> art
> > and technology" is arguably disingenuous. While I can't speak to the
> > credentials of the organizers of this event, there are empirical ways to
> > examine mind and the process of thought that can provide deep insight
> into
> > perception and how our brains work - this isn't just fantastical
> > philosophizing, this stuff is cutting-edge neuroscience. You might find
> it
> > a helpful analogy to think of the use of drugs in these investigations
> > like staining a slide, or perhaps like exciting a molecule to observe a
> > result. Though Boomer burnouts and their spawn have engaged in
> > "experimentation" along these lines devoid of any scientific merit
> > whatsoeve
> >
> >
> >  r for years, this discredits the line of inquiry no more than we should
> > suggest Noisebridge shouldn't hold a chemistry class 'cause hicks cook
> > meth in their bathtub, or dismantling Spacebridge because rocketry is
> > explosives and some idiot blew off his hands trying to make an M80 once.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KG5s_-Khvg#t=23m57s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> >> From: will.sargent at gmail.com
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:18:10 -0800
> >
> >> To: daniel at psychedelicsf.org
> >
> >> CC: adi at hexapodia.org; noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] PsychedelicSF
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Daniel,
> >
> >>
> >
> >> The reason I ask is because Noisebridge traditionally has an emphasis
> >
> >> on hacking, where hacking roughly means "creative activities with an
> >
> >> interaction between art and technology."
> >
> >>
> >
> >> "Hacking consciousness" not withstanding, this sounds like a
> >
> >> discussion of the experiences that various different kinds of drugs
> >
> >> give you and how tribal societies interact with those drugs -- which
> >
> >> can be educational and worthwhile, but not really along the same lines
> >
> >> as building your own circuits, learning how to do web development, or
> >
> >> even learning how to make legal, safe drugs through chemistry.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Is this something that you think should be hosted at Noisebridge
> >
> >> specifically? Do you think you might find more interested people at,
> >
> >> say, the Buddhist Center or Free School?
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Will.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Daniel Jabbour
> >
> >> <daniel at psychedelicsf.org> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > William-
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > We're a relatively new group, just started last December. Right now
> >> we've got about 150 folks on our meetup.com group
> >> (www.PsychedelicSF.org), and our event at Noisebridge will mark our
> >> 5th or so event. I helped organize a similar group in NYC, before I
> >> moved, that grew to over 600 members. Hacking one's consciousness is
> >> fascinating and at the heart of the human experience. I hope you can
> >> make it to our lecture at Noisebridge this Sunday :)
> >
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > Warm regards,
> >
> >> > Daniel
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > --
> >
> >> > Daniel Jabbour
> >
> >> > Organizer, Psychedelic Society of San Francisco
> >
> >> > http://www.PsychedelicSF.org
> >
> >> > daniel at psychedelicsf.org
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Andy Isaacson wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:34:50AM -0800, William Sargent wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > "We work to create safe spaces to foster discussion and community
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > between consciousness seekers: psychologists, artists, philosophers,
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > hippies, makers, scientists . . . I hope you can join us at a future
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > meetup."
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > Is this another troll, or is this actually a real thing?
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > I wondered the same thing, and asked around.  The consensus seems to
> >> be
> >
> >> > that the book release party is a real event put on by real, sincere
> >
> >> > people.
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > -andy
> >
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