[Noisebridge-discuss] Congratulations

[Danny O'Brien]

On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:22:06PM -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote:
> Francisco is back and I'm going to clean the garbage cans after the 
> trash is picked up and we are going to be more diligent in cleaning the 
> kitchen. I would hope that everyone that uses the kitchen can lend a 
> helping hand.
> 

Okay, marking the bug as fixed!

> On 07/04/2012 11:09 PM, Danny O'Brien wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 01:21:06PM -0700, Tony Longshanks LeTigre wrote:
> >> To those who have succeeded in driving Francisco out of the space because
> >> of.....some fucking fruit flies?
> >>
> > Okay, I sent a slightly snappy private mail to this earlier, so I'm
> > going to pay reparation for that by writing a long dull one.
> >
> > TL;DR: probably you or Francisco should mail a mediator, it will be more
> > lovely that way.
> >
> > If Francisco is not around, and you don't like it that Francisco is not
> > around (and presumably Francisco isn't too happy), one or both of you
> > want that fixed. Almost certainly the people that you think actually
> > made him leave (and are messaging) aren't the people best placed to
> > start the process of getting him back.
> >
> > Mailing the list isn't going to fix that, but it does the job of
> > highlighting the problem. But right now it leaves so much stuff unsaid
> > and unclear that anyone reading this is:
> >
> > 1) Sad that what you said is true, and co-bummed (bad phrase, yeah, cheers thx) ) along with you.
> > 2) Unsure, because no background data is given, how to determine whether
> > it is true (is it REALLY Lord Claypool, faking mail from Tony etc etc)
> > 3) Angry, because something sad has happened that they have no control
> > over.
> > 4) Sad or dismissive because they feel that their part of the story
> > hasn't been revealed ("I threw Francisco out because it turned out his
> > vinegar was *turning people into fruit flies*!")
> >
> > So we have a bunch of emotions that we cannot handle, and no actual way
> > to fix things.
> >
> > We have ways to fix things. We like to fix things. But being dorks you
> > have to treat this not as a fait accompli to mourn, but a bug to be
> > fixed.
> >
> > Here is what I, or anyone else in the Noisebridge community, needs to
> > know in the bug report in  order to fix this. You don't need to mail the
> > bug report to this to the rest of the list, but you (or Francisco) do
> > hand it to someone who can and wants to help fix the problem. This may
> > just involve you mailing yourself, because you can fix it as well as
> > anyone else. It's okay if you don't have the time, or care enough to do
> > this. But if you don't have the time or care, here is what that someone
> > needs to know:
> >
> > * Is Francisco really gone? Is he unhappy? Talk to him, find out the
> >    story.
> > * Who is he so pissed with that he's left, or who do-acratically decided
> >    to escort him out or moan at him?
> > * What led up to this situation? What triggered the conflict? Is there
> >    something deeper than this that is actually the core of the
> >    problem. Don't guess, eke this out of the people involved in there own
> >    words.
> >
> > Right now, that information is Highly Distributed. The first step is
> > collect it all in one place. That place does not have to be public.
> >
> > Now that person sits and think and talk with these people until either
> > there's a solution, or the person can't come up with one and need more
> > help, in which case we can take it to meeting or throw more resources at
> > it.
> >
> > This is hacking too. Go for it. It may sound terrifying or
> > time-consuming, or stressful, but speaking as someone who is a stress
> > bunny, it is amazingly less stressful than a world where nothing can be
> > fixed and that the people you deal with are being targetted by
> > incomprehensible or fundamentally evil people in positions of
> > unassailable power. Much of the world feels that way, but everyone wants
> > Noisebridge to not be part of that world.
> >
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Mediation has more and better on this.
> >
> > d.
> >
> >
> >> YGTBKM
> >> HHOS?
> >> NFW
> >>
> >> He's as much of a hacker as anyone in this space. I gotta wonder.....is NB
> >> trying to commit suicide (i.e. wind down in prep to downsize or close the
> >> space) by driving everyone away? It's working.
> >>
> >> Seriously, I am really bummed about this.
> >>
> >> x
> >>
> >> TLLT
> >>
> >> Did NOT send to NB-Disgust. Barely.
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