[Noisebridge-discuss] Community experiment

[bandit]

I read the original question and the responses.

1. No where did Rubin ask about Assange visiting *because* he was accused
of rape.

2. Assange is unlikely to visit *while* charged with rape - everything he
has done since charged is to *keep from being deported to the US*. (yes,
he has an ego, yes he does things for publicity. But - his fear of being
deported to the US is valid.)

3. @Ari:
> Rubin's alleged experiment here is about testing how consistently
> Noisebridge is willing to apply one specific policy toward welcoming
> individuals accused of sexual assault.
....
> The point of this alleged experiment is to determine how "safe" or how
> welcome a given individual will remain while there are assault charges
> on their name. Its only goal is to let people without such charges
> feel secure in their turf against the possibility of being similarly
> accused


Unless you have had a conversation with Rubin that those on the list are
not privy to, then you are making a rather blatant assumption about
Rubin's motives.

Honestly, I have no clue to Rubin's motive, other than his stated goal of
getting reactions. It has been interesting ....

... bandit


> Simply by having an opinion on this topic I feel like I'm being
> played, but let's spell it out.
>
> Rubin's alleged experiment here is about testing how consistently
> Noisebridge is willing to apply one specific policy toward welcoming
> individuals accused of sexual assault. He's doing this by invoking a
> well-known figure who's both accused of assault and also highly
> regarded in nerd circles for his other actions. If we welcome Assange
> despite the assault thing, how 'bout Jesse? And all other possible
> future cases?
>
> Now, I suck at interpreting tone in text media, so I'm not totally
> sure what Cameron Hackett's intent was, but they get a gold star for
> paraphrasing Liz's email just perfectly to make that really obvious.
>
> The point of this alleged experiment is to determine how "safe" or how
> welcome a given individual will remain while there are assault charges
> on their name. Its only goal is to let people without such charges
> feel secure in their turf against the possibility of being similarly
> accused(1). And, dear consensus-obsessed, transparency-demanding
> Noisebridge, that form of pre-emptive apologism is not what is needed
> in a community space. Discussing such issues as they come up, openly,
> publicly, and attendant to their own facts, is infinitely healthier
> and safer.
>
> 1. A facile answer would be "Then don't assault anyone, duh." I'm not
> relying on that argument because it's not always obvious that an
> alleged assault really was one.
>
> Ari
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre
> <anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>>>
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>>> If Julian Assange offered to give a talk at Noisebridge, would you be:
>>>
>>> All for it!
>>> Against it!
>>> Give no fucks!
>>> Other?
>>>
>>
>> I have no opinion on Assange's aptness as a speaker for NB, but am all
>> for
>> hosting the talk so that I can write an article about it and record
>> other
>> peoples' opinions on the subject.
>>
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