[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @ Noisebridge [drama]

Sun Jun 17 04:38:16 UTC 2012

I think it would be fair to say that the homeless need a place to sleep at
night and that Noisebridge can provide this much desired service. San Fran
is a really progressive city. In order to maintain this reputation, I think
it's our responsibility to take this major step forward. They live a hard
life. They deserve better.

With sincere love,
Lordth Claypool

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Sounds familiar to me :-)
>
> Noisebridge is one of the worst places to spend night like most of the
> hackerspaces - they are not designed for that purpose, at least not
>  these days. So emergency stay at Noisebridge over the night is not a
> pleasure, most of the people who have tried knows ...
>
> I would say that you should try to get a camping math (groundsheet) and
> sleeping bag so you can stay outside during the night if you have to. This
> would actually give you a great flexibility and strengthen the feeling of
> independence/security. You are correct with the streets, avoid it! Sleep in
> the park, I recommend the one around Mount Sutro I think it is closest safe
> spot, I personally love Baker's beach or Panorama hill at Berkeley. It has
> quite nice few hidden places and I spend some nice quite nights there,
> sometimes meeting people who did the same quite for a while, working a
> regular job during the day and staying on friends couches and parks over
> the night because of the cost of accommodation around SF. And yes I do
> realize that it is a bit of bummer for the nature and people who use the
> parks for the walk etc. but most of the time you are up before they show up
> and not too many people do this - classical homeless stay close to the
> source = downtown.
>
> Have you been considering getting a smaller van/minivan so you would have
> accommodation/base but with minimal running expenses? Lots of people are
> doing this. Another one is getting some unused boat for free and pay just
> docking fee etc (maybe around $200-300 per month cheapest).
>
> Anyway best of luck, I hope you find some spot to "call your own" for the
> stability purposes it is really great. I highly recommend to try to avoid
> staying at Noisebridge because it would be counterproductive to your
> work/social status in the community, it is just as it is.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
> PS I do recommend to leave for the park/camping before 10 pm or so because
> after that the streets get kind of dodgy and also the police is patrolling
> and could give you troubles. That was the major reason why I spent some
> nights at Noisebridge, because I would be working late and it may be not so
> much fun to get out of Mission around 2 am ... By the way I'm just writing
> you from "my new shared office" which I am using as a base after close to
> two month of street life at Seoul :-) and it feels great! (I have even
> shower in the complex, with kitchen, refrigerator, sounds like heaven to me
> ...).
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Violette Blumen <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
> *To:* embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com
> *Cc:* "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" <
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>; Mark Meves <
> mark.meves at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:31 AM
> *Subject:* [Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @ Noisebridge [drama]
>
> To Jesse -
>
>     I'm not entirely sure why I'm doing this as it will likely prove to be
> a futile attempt at allowing you to see beyond what might just be on the
> surface of a situation. I've seen absolutely no sign that you have any sort
> of human compassion, so trying to show you a tiny chapter of my life in
> order to bring out your humanity is likely out of blind faith.
>
>      I haven't been given the best deck of cards in my life. I don't see
> myself as special or anything because of this, most people are given a few
> lemons, and going into detail with you about my life isn't quite on my
> priority list. Let's just say certain conditions I have, haven't allowed
> for a very easy transition into adulthood. I'm currently trying to get
> myself out of my current situation, albeit difficult, by seeking help and a
> case worker at Larkin Street Youth Services. Last night in fact, I went to
> their youth (18-24) housing shelter (Lark Inn) in order to get a bed for
> the night.
>
>     When I arrived there, I saw a large group of young adults in similar
> situations also trying to get an emergency bed for the night. Before we can
> get more permanent housing, we're put on this list where we have to wait as
> long as 6 weeks. With the large amount of people already there, I didn't
> think I was going to be getting an emergency bed for the night. I went
> inside anyways while I waited for them to do a head count of who was
> already there. As soon as I got inside, one of the workers approached me to
> say that my TB test was expired and I had to get a new one before I could
> stay in one of their beds again. Their clinics would not be open until
> Monday, and if I go at that time I won't get the results of my test until
> Wednesday. What a fucking bummer. That means I'm not just out of a bed for
> last night, I'm out of a bed until I get the results of my TB test, and
> that's IF I don't test positive. It didn't seem like a big deal last night,
> I usually have temporary shelter on friends couches, and the only reason
> I'm trying to get a permanent situation is for the stability I haven't had
> my entire adult life. I rode from the TL down to Noisebridge so that I
> could make some phone calls to see if any of my friends were around to give
> me a place. I didn't expect to stay at Noisebridge overnight. I called and
> texted all of my friends with no avail. I couldn't get a hold of anyone
> with a couch for the night. I then weighed my options. I sure as hell
> wasn't going to put myself in danger on the streets, so I decided risking
> some fat bearded lard waking me up with the sound of his unauthorized
> photography was the safest option.
>
>    So here's my apologies, sorry if I'm being a bit too dramatic. I'm so
> very sorry I broke the cardinal rule of the *Anarchist* Hackerspace in
> order to prevent myself from getting mugged, raped, attacked or even killed
> from sleeping on the streets. I'm sorry that my interest in technology died
> when I was in high school and that I lack an attention span that allows me
> to enjoy any hobby for more than a couple of weeks. I'm sorry I'm not a
> 1337 h4xx0rrr, and I'm sorry I found programming, while relatively easy,
> extremely unrewarding, boring, and mind numbing. I'm sorry for intruding
> upon your culture Jesse, and I'm sorry for not tolerating bullies with
> superiority complexes. Honestly Jesse, shouting homeless pejoratives and
> waving a very bright light in someone's eyes while they're minding their
> own business on their computer really says a lot about your own character.
>
> To Noisebridge-
> Unless Jesse wishes to discuss this further, it is of no interest of mine
> to bring this up at a meeting. I said everything I wanted to say right here.
>
> -Lillian Fleurs
>
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