[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @ Noisebridge [drama]

Mon Jun 18 19:03:30 UTC 2012

I can't let it go anymore! This is ridiculous! I'm suggesting opening the
space to the homeless. No bullshit. You can't get caught up in
technicalities. Where is the think forward mentality this space use to
have? You guys make it so frustrating to come to a decent consensus. I
thought this was a democracy.

I'm sorry if I got emotional right there, but I felt I needed to voice my
opinion.

- Lord be Claypool IX

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:43 PM, ryan rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com> wrote:

> What exactly are you suggesting?
>
> This issue has been rehashed a zillion times. Let it go.
>
> On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Lord Claypool <lordclaypool at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think it would be fair to say that the homeless need a place to sleep at
> night and that Noisebridge can provide this much desired service. San Fran
> is a really progressive city. In order to maintain this reputation, I think
> it's our responsibility to take this major step forward. They live a hard
> life. They deserve better.
>
> With sincere love,
> Lordth Claypool
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Sounds familiar to me :-)
>>
>> Noisebridge is one of the worst places to spend night like most of the
>> hackerspaces - they are not designed for that purpose, at least not
>>  these days. So emergency stay at Noisebridge over the night is not a
>> pleasure, most of the people who have tried knows ...
>>
>> I would say that you should try to get a camping math (groundsheet) and
>> sleeping bag so you can stay outside during the night if you have to. This
>> would actually give you a great flexibility and strengthen the feeling
>> of independence/security. You are correct with the streets, avoid it! Sleep
>> in the park, I recommend the one around Mount Sutro I think it is closest
>> safe spot, I personally love Baker's beach or Panorama hill at Berkeley. It
>> has quite nice few hidden places and I spend some nice quite nights
>> there, sometimes meeting people who did the same quite for a while, working
>> a regular job during the day and staying on friends couches and parks over
>> the night because of the cost of accommodation around SF. And yes I do
>> realize that it is a bit of bummer for the nature and people who use the
>> parks for the walk etc. but most of the time you are up before they show up
>> and not too many people do this - classical homeless stay close to the
>> source = downtown.
>>
>> Have you been considering getting a smaller van/minivan so you would have
>> accommodation/base but with minimal running expenses? Lots of people are
>> doing this. Another one is getting some unused boat for free and pay just
>> docking fee etc (maybe around $200-300 per month cheapest).
>>
>> Anyway best of luck, I hope you find some spot to "call your own" for the
>> stability purposes it is really great. I highly recommend to try to avoid
>> staying at Noisebridge because it would be counterproductive to your
>> work/social status in the community, it is just as it is.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>
>> PS I do recommend to leave for the park/camping before 10 pm or so
>> because after that the streets get kind of dodgy and also the police is
>> patrolling and could give you troubles. That was the major reason why I
>> spent some nights at Noisebridge, because I would be working late and it
>> may be not so much fun to get out of Mission around 2 am ... By the way I'm
>> just writing you from "my new shared office" which I am using as a base
>> after close to two month of street life at Seoul :-) and it feels great! (I
>> have even shower in the complex, with kitchen, refrigerator, sounds like
>> heaven to me ...).
>>
>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>
>>
>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>
>>
>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* Violette Blumen <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>> *To:* embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com
>> *Cc:* "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" <
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>; Mark Meves <
>> mark.meves at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:31 AM
>> *Subject:* [Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @ Noisebridge [drama]
>>
>> To Jesse -
>>
>>     I'm not entirely sure why I'm doing this as it will likely prove to
>> be a futile attempt at allowing you to see beyond what might just be on the
>> surface of a situation. I've seen absolutely no sign that you have any sort
>> of human compassion, so trying to show you a tiny chapter of my life in
>> order to bring out your humanity is likely out of blind faith.
>>
>>      I haven't been given the best deck of cards in my life. I don't see
>> myself as special or anything because of this, most people are given a few
>> lemons, and going into detail with you about my life isn't quite on my
>> priority list. Let's just say certain conditions I have, haven't allowed
>> for a very easy transition into adulthood. I'm currently trying to get
>> myself out of my current situation, albeit difficult, by seeking help and a
>> case worker at Larkin Street Youth Services. Last night in fact, I went to
>> their youth (18-24) housing shelter (Lark Inn) in order to get a bed for
>> the night.
>>
>>     When I arrived there, I saw a large group of young adults in similar
>> situations also trying to get an emergency bed for the night. Before we can
>> get more permanent housing, we're put on this list where we have to wait as
>> long as 6 weeks. With the large amount of people already there, I didn't
>> think I was going to be getting an emergency bed for the night. I went
>> inside anyways while I waited for them to do a head count of who was
>> already there. As soon as I got inside, one of the workers approached me to
>> say that my TB test was expired and I had to get a new one before I could
>> stay in one of their beds again. Their clinics would not be open until
>> Monday, and if I go at that time I won't get the results of my test until
>> Wednesday. What a fucking bummer. That means I'm not just out of a bed for
>> last night, I'm out of a bed until I get the results of my TB test, and
>> that's IF I don't test positive. It didn't seem like a big deal last night,
>> I usually have temporary shelter on friends couches, and the only reason
>> I'm trying to get a permanent situation is for the stability I haven't had
>> my entire adult life. I rode from the TL down to Noisebridge so that I
>> could make some phone calls to see if any of my friends were around to give
>> me a place. I didn't expect to stay at Noisebridge overnight. I called and
>> texted all of my friends with no avail. I couldn't get a hold of anyone
>> with a couch for the night. I then weighed my options. I sure as hell
>> wasn't going to put myself in danger on the streets, so I decided risking
>> some fat bearded lard waking me up with the sound of his unauthorized
>> photography was the safest option.
>>
>>    So here's my apologies, sorry if I'm being a bit too dramatic. I'm so
>> very sorry I broke the cardinal rule of the *Anarchist* Hackerspace in
>> order to prevent myself from getting mugged, raped, attacked or even killed
>> from sleeping on the streets. I'm sorry that my interest in technology died
>> when I was in high school and that I lack an attention span that allows me
>> to enjoy any hobby for more than a couple of weeks. I'm sorry I'm not a
>> 1337 h4xx0rrr, and I'm sorry I found programming, while relatively easy,
>> extremely unrewarding, boring, and mind numbing. I'm sorry for intruding
>> upon your culture Jesse, and I'm sorry for not tolerating bullies with
>> superiority complexes. Honestly Jesse, shouting homeless pejoratives and
>> waving a very bright light in someone's eyes while they're minding their
>> own business on their computer really says a lot about your own character.
>>
>> To Noisebridge-
>> Unless Jesse wishes to discuss this further, it is of no interest of mine
>> to bring this up at a meeting. I said everything I wanted to say right here.
>>
>> -Lillian Fleurs
>>
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