[Noisebridge-discuss] /missing/...
Gopiballava Flaherty
gopiballava at gmail.com
Thu Mar 1 19:39:19 UTC 2012
What about laptops? I'll bet laptops with broken screens are readily available. They could be used for configurations that need lots of slower devices. I can probably donate a dozen or more USB 1.1 to Ethernet converters so we could have low speed but complex configurations.
I'd love a resource like this to play with.
Thanks,
gopi at iPhone
On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:17, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
> One of the considerations that we in turing have
> discussed is electrical power: our plan is to have
> equipment available but not always on, rather mostly
> off, to be used for a few hours each week as part of
> a regularly scheduled class.
> We've also looked at low-power machines such as
> ARM- or Atom-based systems. It seems good to have
> one machine capable of supporting VMs (Linux KVM)
> and one or two other machines that can serve as
> hosts on "other" LANs.
>
> Note that working in a classroom allows more
> people to participate in the physical aspects of
> learning along with the convenience of the use of
> a projector and whiteboard at hand.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 10:28 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
>> We've done most of the work to isolate the "important" networking away
>> from the main rack. There are still a few things that people rely on
>> in the rack so it's not exactly safe.
>>
>> A few of us in the noiseops group have talked about replacing the
>> existing rack wtih a smaller 9U cabinet mounted above the closet
>> instead of the 20U rack on the floor. The only thing stopping us is a
>> bit of budget money to buy the rack and a few related items to reduce
>> our server footprint to this smaller rack.
>>
>> The other issue with setting up a dedicated experimental network rack
>> is the power cost. Running a rack of servers/networking gear would be
>> 1000-1500 watts of power. That's another $120-180/month in power
>> costs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 09:37, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> (Summarizing prior discussions: ) The argument against
>>> using the existing rack is that it subjects the noisebridge
>>> LAN to people screwing up. Having a separate "lab" space
>>> lets people configure multiple LANs and subnets and learn
>>> not only the physical aspect but the logical aspect
>>> (configuration and use of various software tools) without
>>> risking screwing up the LAN that everybody else in the
>>> space uses for internet access.
>>>
>>> I believe that we as a community should isolate the
>>> elements of infrastructure and respect the maintenance
>>> (hard work by a few) and not feel like we can turn
>>> anything and everything into a robot. This is on the order
>>> of cleaning toilets, maintaining saw blades and drill
>>> bits, the LAN, the electronic tools, the sewing machines,
>>> and so on so that people can use them to do interesting
>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 23:31 -0800, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>>> Hmm. I like the idea of a place to learn how to properly rack servers
>>>> and even moreso of proper cabling. Now, I am wondering if we could
>>>> use the rack in the electric closet as an example or something like
>>>> that. I mean it would be just like working with live stuff. Would
>>>> breaking something in the electrical closet break internet for
>>>> everyone?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 22:16 -0800, Brian Morris wrote:
>>>>> I'd sort of reconciled myself to laptops, somebody gave an
>>>> ancient one
>>>>> (900mhz) but I need a 15volt 4 amp powerbrick. I already
>>>> went through
>>>>> the bins on Tuesday afternoon. It could use a stick of pc100
>>>> 256mB or
>>>>> two as well. The main problem is parts are expensiver and
>>>> hard to find
>>>>> and graphics cannot be updated.
>>>>
>>>> JS: seems to me easy enough to make a power supply that's 15V
>>>> at 4A
>>>> with what's lying around. Not pretty, only clumsily portable,
>>>> but
>>>> do-able. Finding the RAM is a matter of luck, I'm guessing.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is space in an electrical closet for storage,
>>>> perhaps we
>>>>> could establish some basic policy and post it where people
>>>> can see it.
>>>>> Labels including a recent date and contact info - or else
>>>>
>>>> JS: I'm confused. why an electrical closet? to store what?
>>>> The bins and shelves around the electronic equipment
>>>> have various hackable gizmos. I think the policy is to grab
>>>> something and tear it apart, use what you like, then put
>>>> what you've built in some safe place (like your house or,
>>>> if you're brave, "your member shelf"). I'm guessing you
>>>> have something different in mind.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:44 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What I would like a lot is that we all stop being
>>>>> hasty. It's easy to get off on doing stuff and
>>>> making
>>>>> things better and fighting evil-doers and making
>>>> things
>>>>> more in our images and so on.
>>>>> Take it easier, don't take things too seriously,
>>>>> relax, accept, focus on a personal creation, even if
>>>>> the FBI or Salvadore Dali Lama or some pornographers
>>>>> show up....
>>>>> I like that the place gets clean and cleaned of a
>>>>> bunch of crap that piles up, but in the fervor to
>>>>> accomplish goodness a bunch of people have been hurt
>>>>> and there's been toxic division. How about making a
>>>>> point to take more time, not one week but one month.
>>>>> Sure it takes more time to get less done, but it's
>>>>> worth protecting the things that matter most--each
>>>>> others' reasons to be here, no matter how wacky.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 20:33 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
>>>>>> I talked to jim and it is likely the 1U computer
>>>> was put in
>>>>> ewaste.
>>>>>> This is my fault for not reviewing things more
>>>> closely. My
>>>>> criteria
>>>>>> for ewaste is fairly harsh. I have already
>>>> offered to
>>>>> replace the
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2012 5:57 PM, "maestro"
>>>> <maestro415 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> # in the bullshit taking shit out of
>>>> turing the tote
>>>>> has been
>>>>>> found and seems to have things in tact,
>>>> however...
>>>>>> # the pc tower that was with it has NOT
>>>> been found
>>>>> and was
>>>>>> clearly tagged turing and had cardboard
>>>> taped over
>>>>> that...
>>>>>> # where is this computer?...
>>>>>> # jim has a single unit computer that
>>>> belongs to his
>>>>> friend
>>>>>> that was in the "rack" room adjacent to
>>>> the library
>>>>> where the
>>>>>> house rack(s) are...
>>>>>> # where is this computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> end comments
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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