[Noisebridge-discuss] Recommendations for learning C?
Robert Chu
robertayoungchu at gmail.com
Sun Mar 11 01:09:47 UTC 2012
Thanks Bandit. I am busy with my team today, but I am sure I will ping you
on some questions in the future.
Cheers
Rayc
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:11 PM, bandit <bandit at cruzio.com> wrote:
> Find an example program in "learn 21" that does something like you want to
> do.
> Get it working.
> Then start changing it to do what you want.
> Make sure each change works.
>
> This is probably better than just doing the exercises.
> "Learn 21" does a good job of describing the pieces of the language.
>
> Hint: learn how to use printf()
> A slime trail is one of the most valuable debugging tools there is.
> It is my standard method.
>
> ... bandit
>
>
>
> > On Mar 9, 2012 4:22 PM, "Robert Chu" <robertayoungchu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Harvey (who comes in at night usually) was tutoring me on C, and he said
> > he didn't like how the book I was using layed out it's code exercises.
> >> So I am a little on the fence about continuing with Learn C in 21 Days.
> >> .
> >
> > This is a mistake I make all the time, don't worry too much about
> > optimizing how you learn. To be honest it doesn't matter if you're using
> > the absolute best tool or not, any book is going to get the job done.
> >
> > This is especially true when it comes to computer programming. No book
> can
> > ever teach you how to program, you teach yourself and the book is there
> to
> > make it easier to teach yourself.
> >
> >> I most likely will focus more on comprehending it then working with the
> > code exercises there
> >
> > This is a terrible idea, the most important thing you can do is exercise
> > the things you've learned by practicing and trying them out with real
> > code.
> > The arguments you will have with your compiler are invaluable.
> >
> > - Brian
> >
> >> Cheers
> >> Rayc
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Remember...
> >>>
> >>> Be a pointer.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> > I remember you Bandit, thanks for support by being open to answering
> >>> > questions.
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers
> >>> > Rayc
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> how's your assembler on *nix?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 14:35 -0700, bandit wrote:
> >>> >> > I happen to be a C expert (30+ years, well over a million LOC as a
> >>> >> > guess).
> >>> >> > I am glad to answer C questions when I am at NB on Saturdays.
> >>> >> > (I am the guy with one hand.)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I recommend "Learn C in 21 days" over the white book.
> >>> >> > The white book (K&R 2) is the absolute best piece of tech writing
> >>> I
> > have
> >>> >> > ever seen,
> >>> >> > but for a beginner, "21 days" is better - it breaks the pieces
> >>> down
> >>> >> > better.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ... bandit
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Great! I've been lonely in there the last several
> >>> >> > > weeks. Note that Robert is finishing up his SQL class
> >>> >> > > at 6 PM and tends to run over. We can deal with that.
> >>> >> > > Note also that the format is specified as "study
> >>> >> > > group" rather than class. The idea is that we're all
> >>> >> > > humbly studying along trying to help each other; the
> >>> >> > > class format is that some one person goes blah blah...
> >>> >> > > and everybody else has to shut up and listen.
> >>> >> > > In fact, mostly the C part of things has been a
> >>> >> > > class, but that's entirely negotiable per your (and
> >>> >> > > anyone-else-who-shows-up's) wishes.
> >>> >> > > You've got access to a linux computer, yes?
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 12:03 -0800, Robert Chu wrote:
> >>> >> > >> Thank you all for recommendations so far.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Daravine: if I could borrow The C Programming Language, 2nd
> > Edition,
> >>> >> > >> by Kernighan and Ritchie. That would be wonderful.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Andy: Thank you for the recommendations.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Jim: I am looking into coming in on Tuesdays to attend the C
> > class.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Thanks for all the given and upcoming recommendations
> >>> >> > >> Cheers
> >>> >> > >> Rayc
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Why don't you come by the Turing classroom at 6 PM
> >>> >> > >> some Tuesday evening. That place/time is scheduled for
> >>> >> > >> C programming (and assembler, per interest) on Linux.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> As to books, that depends on your experience. If you
> >>> >> > >> have little or no programming experience, then Stephen
> >>> >> > >> Kochan's ANSI C is probably the best book--it is not
> >>> >> > >> complete but it's a really well written intro to the
> >>> >> > >> language. Also Steven Prata (C Primer Plus) and Robert
> >>> >> > >> LaFore (I forget the title) have very good books for
> >>> >> > >> people just getting into C.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> One of the best books for those who are serious was
> >>> >> > >> put out by MIX publishing. It claims it's written for
> >>> >> > >> intermediate level students, but those must be some
> >>> smart
> >>> >> > >> and/or determined intermediates. It's divided into two
> >>> >> > >> sections, tutorials and reference. Both sections have
> >>> >> > >> lots and lots of examples, and to have example code for
> >>> >> > >> each library function is rare in a book.
> >>> >> > >> I donated a couple of copies to the library. I'm
> >>> >> > >> afraid that some pinhead threw them out because they're
> >>> >> > >> written for MS-DOS. That they're written for MS-DOS has
> >>> >> > >> nothing to do with their value. It's the explanations
> >>> and
> >>> >> > >> example code that's valuable.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> The K&R book has two editions: you probably have the
> >>> >> > >> ANSI C edition; check to be sure, as the older edition
> >>> is
> >>> >> > >> pre-ANSI spec and in a few ways will throw you off.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> There is a huge number of tutorials on the internet.
> >>> >> > >> It takes time to sort through those that make sense to
> > you.
> >>> >> > >> I have links to some that I like. Wikipedia has very
> >>> good
> >>> >> > >> info on C programming.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 07:01 -0800, Robert Chu wrote:
> >>> >> > >> > Good morning Noisebridge Community,
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > I have decided to start learning C programming and
> >>> was
> >>> >> > >> wondering if
> >>> >> > >> > anybody could give me good recommendations on: books,
> >>> >> > >> videos, talks,
> >>> >> > >> > papers, etc. So far I am studying from the book Sam's
> > Teach
> >>> >> > >> Yourself C
> >>> >> > >> > in 21 Days Sixth Edition.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > All resource recommendations are greatly appreciated,
> > and
> >>> >> > >> most likely
> >>> >> > >> > would be a catalyst to my learning.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Cheers
> >>> >> > >> > Rayc
> >>> >> > >>
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