[Noisebridge-discuss] Lack of due process when Cynthia forced to leave

Jake jake at spaz.org
Fri May 4 20:00:45 UTC 2012

whatever matt, just because of your comments on the list to me and the 
other jake, if it was up to me YOU would be banned from noisebridge.

stop acting like you're so great because you consider yourself sane.


On Fri, 4 May 2012, Matt Joyce wrote:

> While I open myself to comparisons to Hitler.  I do not enjoy the
> company of the insane.  I simply do not.  Most people don't as it
> turns out.  There's a reason for this.  The insane are by their very
> nature unstable.  And that is a cause for concern.  It's a distraction
> in every meaningful way.
> In the specific case of Cynthia she has been largely benign in her
> delusions. However, in the entirety of her time at noisbridge what has
> she done that sets her apart from every other oogle that has been
> thrown out?  She is not for all intensive purposes a part of the
> community.  She's simply not.  She just takes up space and causes
> issues for people.  More to the point she's insane.  Not omfg that guy
> has a funny hat insane.  She has real issues.  Noisebridge is not a
> hospital.  It's not a community outreach center.  It's a community of
> hackers.  And here we have a person who is unstable, unwell, and not a
> member of this community through her own action / inaction.
> I see no issue here.  I would have called the authorities if dealing
> with an increasingly unstable individual who was refusing to leave.
> Allowing someone who is delusional to hang out at noisebridge puts
> them at risk as well as others.  It's negligent.  And it's stupid.
> Going beyond that, yes people who are hacking ( loosely defined ) do
> have a priority over those who aren't in a hackerspace.  Seriously
> it's not classist it's a community of by and for hackers.  It's not a
> kitchen in the mission.  It's not an occupy tenement.  And it's not a
> methadone clinic.  It's a hackerspace.  That's a hell of enough all on
> its own.
> -Matt
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com> wrote:
>> I resemble these remarks.  As much as I would love to spend time with my kid
>> in a drama free zone, I'll have to see if someone can watch him while I
>> attend this Tuesdays meeting to defend Cynthia.
>> Look, Noisebridge is full of the social awkward.  Cynthia is, presently, the
>> most socially awkward person in the space.  Who's next?  We're all only a
>> small cluster of braincells away from being in Cynthia's state, or worse.
>> I have communicated to Cynthia, accurately and respectfully, the times when
>> I need my brain and the subjects I am not willing to discuss.  She has
>> respected these without fail.
>> I don't see how anyone else here is different.
>> As soon as we start excluding people, I wince and wonder when it'll be my
>> turn.  I will not take, "Corey, you are this valuable" as a guarantee.
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>>    As to me, if I know a meeting will involve something like
>>> banning, I make an effort to make it, despite wanting to be
>>> in bed before 8 PM.
>>>    It seems that such issues may arise without "benefit" of
>>> meeting. What to do?
>>>    Also, some of us conflict-averse hand-wringers worry about
>>> the affects of these events on people both in and tangential
>>> to our community. That there has been a sequence of events
>>> with a similar "taste" and "smell" has had an amplifying
>>> negative affect on a fairly large number of people. The
>>> reputation of Noisebridge is increasingly stained. What to do?
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