[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia

Matt Joyce matt at nycresistor.com
Wed May 9 02:06:12 UTC 2012

Enjoy your soup kitchen.

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Note:  I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding to this whole
> discussion.
> I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution.  But I am really
> disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.
> Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into the space
> (even though I am annoyed by her).  I am definitely going to try to make it
> tonight to block on this until it's further discussed.
> When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of someone
> that was actively harrassing people and being violent.  Noisebridge is not a
> homeless shelter, but I don't think we should lightly discard radical
> inclusion.  There are a million other ways to handle the situation with
> someone who at least cleans the kitchen.  If push comes to shove, I'll be
> willing to mediate.
> This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing blanket
> bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define hacking" is going to
> work.  These things have to be a human call, and consensus is there for
> situations just like this so people can argue over shit...
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Rockefeller <alanrockefeller at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.
>> The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a homeless person who uses
>> the noisebridge kitchen.
>> This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was showing up
>> nearly every day for a year.
>> Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the noisebridge
>> kitchen?
>> Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive interactions with
>> her.  She is a little crazy, but never in a bad or unsafe way.
>> Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for hackers.  Other
>> people think that Noisebridge is for everyone.
>> I see it both ways.  If we let all homeless people in SF use the kitchen,
>> it would be very crowded.  And not in a good way.
>> I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge occasionally, but they
>> shouldn't be there too often.  When they do show up every day and hack
>> nothing, I sometimes ask them to come around less often.
>> When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or less, that is cool.
>>  When they show up every day for many hours, I get annoyed at them and ask
>> them what they are working on, implying that they should be working on
>> something.
>> Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they supposed to do -
>> admit defeat?  I would have admitted defeat, but I understand why they
>> didn't.
>> I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before.  9 times out of 10
>> they leave.  When they say "no, I am not leaving..." I say ok, and go do
>> something else.
>> I can think of 2 other people  who are rather Cynthia-like.  I don't know
>> what to do about them.  I like both those people, but I think they come to
>> noisebridge too often.
>> The fact that none of these people are bad folks complicates the problem.
>> We could make a policy about this.  Or we could keep doing what we are
>> doing, let people do-ocratically decide.  What we have been doing does work
>> - There were about 60 people at noisebridge last night and all of them were
>> awesome.  Kicking people out isn't fun or fair and I don't like doing it,
>> but occasionally I do because Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter.
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