[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia
girlgeek
girlgeek at wt.net
Wed May 9 19:29:55 UTC 2012
fwiw, she is not a homeless as in 'lives under a bridge'. She lives in
a shelter or sro. Don't know whether that changes anyone's definition.
-Claudia
On 5/8/2012 6:42 PM, Praveen Sinha wrote:
> Note: I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding to this whole
> discussion.
>
> I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution. But I am really
> disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.
>
> Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into the
> space (even though I am annoyed by her). I am definitely going to try
> to make it tonight to block on this until it's further discussed.
>
> When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of
> someone that was actively harrassing people and being violent.
> Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter, but I don't think we should
> lightly discard radical inclusion. There are a million other ways to
> handle the situation with someone who at least cleans the kitchen. If
> push comes to shove, I'll be willing to mediate.
>
> This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing
> blanket bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define hacking"
> is going to work. These things have to be a human call, and consensus
> is there for situations just like this so people can argue over shit...
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Rockefeller
> <alanrockefeller at gmail.com <mailto:alanrockefeller at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.
>
> The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a homeless person
> who uses the noisebridge kitchen.
>
> This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was showing
> up nearly every day for a year.
>
> Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the
> noisebridge kitchen?
>
> Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive interactions
> with her. She is a little crazy, but never in a bad or unsafe way.
>
> Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for hackers.
> Other people think that Noisebridge is for everyone.
>
> I see it both ways. If we let all homeless people in SF use the
> kitchen, it would be very crowded. And not in a good way.
>
> I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge occasionally, but
> they shouldn't be there too often. When they do show up every day
> and hack nothing, I sometimes ask them to come around less often.
>
> When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or less, that
> is cool. When they show up every day for many hours, I get
> annoyed at them and ask them what they are working on, implying
> that they should be working on something.
>
> Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they supposed to
> do - admit defeat? I would have admitted defeat, but I understand
> why they didn't.
>
> I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before. 9 times
> out of 10 they leave. When they say "no, I am not leaving..." I
> say ok, and go do something else.
>
> I can think of 2 other people who are rather Cynthia-like. I
> don't know what to do about them. I like both those people, but I
> think they come to noisebridge too often.
>
> The fact that none of these people are bad folks complicates the
> problem.
>
>
>
> We could make a policy about this. Or we could keep doing what we
> are doing, let people do-ocratically decide. What we have been
> doing does work - There were about 60 people at noisebridge last
> night and all of them were awesome. Kicking people out isn't fun
> or fair and I don't like doing it, but occasionally I do because
> Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter.
>
>
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