[Noisebridge-discuss] ROBERT 2.0 should not be banned despite some problems he creates

Sun May 27 16:32:02 UTC 2012

I don't actually care either way.  It was shit taking up space and
Rubin decided to clean it up.

Stuff left at noisebridge can vanish at any time.  This is the rule.
My nice ladder and a few other things I've brought have vanished.
Boo-hoo.

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com> wrote:
> I sat with rob when he using them probably more so then anyone else at nb,
> at the time. I even opened one up to check it out. I also use host with
> similar hp proliants as well.
>
> let"s talk about it off the list as I feel it may make for good discussion
> over some tea. I am  also in support for working toward dedramatizing the
> list.
>
> On May 27, 2012 9:07 AM, "Ben Kochie" <superq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> They were old as shit power hogs.  Not anywhere near that nice.
>>
>> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > From what I remember, there three (nothing less then) dual Xeon (not
>> > sure of
>> > the exact model/ clock) HP Proliants, with a minimum of 4Gigs (even
>> > though I
>> > think it was 8Gigs ECC, and Registered.)each. Some switches, and the
>> > cabinet
>> > its self.
>> >
>> > I am looking on Ebay as I did before when I wrote the previous email,
>> > and it
>> > seems that my estimate of ~$2,000 - ~$3,000 for all the gear is about
>> > ball
>> > park.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kochie <superq at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I saw the servers that were tossed.  It was maybe worth $300 total.
>> >> And maybe $200 for the half rack cabinet.  The stuff was eWaste.
>> >> $2000-3000 is an exaggeration.
>> >>
>> >> We didn't ask for server equipment at the space.  We didn't want
>> >> server equipment at the space.  We already had two other full cabinets
>> >> and a bunch of other eWaste quality servers.  They were all taking up
>> >> space doing nobody any good.
>> >>
>> >> Donations are donations, noisebridge can do whatever it wants with
>> >> them.   We cleared out the eWaste and kept the good stuff in the rack
>> >> closet.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello Noisebridge Community.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am writing this email on behalf of the good that there is in Robert
>> >> > 2.0,
>> >> > and  also because I don't think that he should be banned. Before you
>> >> > become
>> >> > enraged with this email (or even annoyed), I encourage you to read
>> >> > on.
>> >> >
>> >> > I can only infer (from my experience with Rob 2.0) the situation is
>> >> > as
>> >> > follows:
>> >> >
>> >> > ******ROBERT 2.0******
>> >> >
>> >> > - Is one of the best software hackers that I've ever met at
>> >> > Noisebridge
>> >> >
>> >> > - HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOWN TO TEACH AND HELP OTHERS with any questions
>> >> > they
>> >> > have. (As he only said know if he was super busy).
>> >> >
>> >> > - Came to Noisebridge and crashed a couple of public computers (with
>> >> > the
>> >> > intent of making them better- this was done do-ocrattically) also
>> >> > because he
>> >> > didn't know that it would be a problem to do so.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Had taken apart a couple of scooters (when I spoke with him, it was
>> >> > his
>> >> > intent to build a better one with the parts. I spoke to Rob about
>> >> > this a
>> >> > while ago when this issue came up. It seemed that HACKING apart the
>> >> > scooters
>> >> > to make a better one was completely valid since Noisebridge is a
>> >> > HACKERSPACE
>> >> > and it has been communally agreed upon that everything at Noisebridge
>> >> > is
>> >> > HACKABLE except the Membershelves.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Robert brought a cabinet of servers to Noisebridge, and was taking
>> >> > to
>> >> > some
>> >> > people to do some awesome tech stuff such as clustering, and even
>> >> > teach
>> >> > a
>> >> > class (teaching is most excellent at Noisebridge).
>> >> >
>> >> > - Robert  2.0 had slept a couple of nights at Noisebirdge (Before it
>> >> > was
>> >> > communally looked down upon).
>> >> >
>> >> > - When Robert 2.0 was allowed in the space he did make a lot of
>> >> > messes
>> >> > that
>> >> > other people had to clean up (which is why part of the reason some
>> >> > people
>> >> > got upset to the point of wanting him to not come back).
>> >> >
>> >> > - He is a hard person to communicate with.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Robert 2.0 has often been coming back to Noisebridge for various
>> >> > reasons,
>> >> > and has left every time after being asked to leave.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ROBERT 2.0
>> >> > - Robert 2.0 has been asked to leave the space and not come back
>> >> > until
>> >> > he
>> >> > goes through a Noisebridge Moderation process (which I don't think he
>> >> > wants
>> >> > to moderate with the current moderators).
>> >> >
>> >> > - I would estimate that about $2,000 to $3,000 worth of servers that
>> >> > he
>> >> > was
>> >> > going to donate to Noisebridge were pushed out onto the street
>> >> > (without
>> >> > even
>> >> > letting Robert 2.0 know that this was going to happen), and are now
>> >> > GONE.
>> >> > That is $2,000 - $3,000 dollars worth of servers let the COMMUNITY
>> >> > know
>> >> > that
>> >> > this unjustice was done. IHO throwing away a hacker's hardware is a
>> >> > huge
>> >> > insult to a hacker. He could have been asked to move them out of
>> >> > Noisebridge
>> >> > if they were really that much of a problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > - I would estimate that the damage that Robert could have done to
>> >> > Noisebridge is at most ~$500 in man hours or whatever, where as the
>> >> > amount
>> >> > of money he lost in the form of hardware is far greater.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > In conclusion,
>> >> >
>> >> > - Robert 2.0 is still upset that ~$2,000 - $3,000 in servers was just
>> >> > trashed without his knowledge or even being communicated to (TOTALLY
>> >> > UNEXCELLENT IMHO), and the person who was responsible wasn't even
>> >> > reprimanded at all, just because he has been a huge part of the
>> >> > Noisebridge
>> >> > community.
>> >> >
>> >> > - I feel that there Robert  should be allowed to return to
>> >> > Noisebridge,
>> >> > but
>> >> > only after we figure out what the problems that others are having
>> >> > with
>> >> > him
>> >> > (AS ARE DOING WITH CYNTHIA),  and work them out. I also am pretty
>> >> > sure
>> >> > he
>> >> > does not want to moderate with the current people that defaulted as
>> >> > moderators, and think that I would be able to moderate this situation
>> >> > because of my repor and relationship with Robert.
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me get in contact with Robert and see what his goals are and what
>> >> > his
>> >> > expectations for being a part of the Noisebridge community are.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since I am still on vacation from Noisebridge feel free to tell him
>> >> > to
>> >> > contact me if he shows up.
>> >> > robertayoungchu at gmail.com - 415.935.3597
>> >> >
>> >> > Banning Robert would be another example of Noisebridge Hackerspace
>> >> > kicking
>> >> > out another %100 authentic hacker (probably one of the best in the
>> >> > Noisebridge eco-system).
>> >> >
>> >> > Please Noisebridge (at community at large) let me sync up with Robert
>> >> > 2.0
>> >> > before any decision  is even discussed. I would still be pissed off
>> >> > at
>> >> > the
>> >> > person who is responsible and at Noisebridge to if $2,000 - $3,000
>> >> > (maybe
>> >> > even more) worth of hardware was just tossed. I also feel that that
>> >> > part
>> >> > is
>> >> > being over-looked on Noisebridge's part (why don't we ban the person
>> >> > tossed
>> >> > his hardware to the curb?).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert Albert Young Chu
>> >> > "Keep hackers in the hackerspace."
>> >> > Rayc
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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