[Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements
Rachel McConnell
rachel at xtreme.com
Tue Oct 9 22:39:49 UTC 2012
This is an honorable viewpoint. But it's not how Noisebridge works.
There are no official rules or criteria. It is up to YOU as an
individual to decide who to let in, if anyone -- sounds like the other
people in the space are choosing not to let anyone in, for whatever
reason, and you are choosing to let in anyone who asks. I make no claim
that either decision is good or bad. But your idea that there are
generalized criteria that will always exclude some people and always
include others is just not supported by Noisebridge reality.
But don't feel bad about it either. If you decide not to let someone
in, you have not in any way decided they have nothing to contribute.
You have merely decided *you* are not going to let them in *at that
time*. They may get let in by someone else, or they may come back
later. You're not ruining their NB experience, or making some permanent
determination about their value as a person. Don't sweat it.
On 10/9/12 2:54 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
> Understand, I am not trying to be the mythical gadfly here. But when
> people start talking about rules or criteria, I look to see who the
> criteria intends to exclude, and who will actually be excluded.
>
> Exclusion tends to splatter and spread, affecting people that it wasn't
> intended to affect.
>
> - Reverend Mik
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> [censored]
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/9/12, Mitchel McAllister /<xonimmortal at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 2:50 PM
>
> The point I want to get across is that if there is criteria to be
> applied, then everyone involved needs to know what that criteria is.
>
> I'm currently in the space. I'm not alone here, there have been 8 or
> more people here at one time. Yet when the buzzer goes off, I am the
> only person to let people in. And I am near the back of the space
> right now.
>
> I can think of a few people I don't want to let in, because of the
> melodrama they bring, or the fact they refuse to clean up after
> themselves, etc. I certainly don't want to be responsible for their
> behavior.
>
> Yet, if I apply that criteria, then I have made a decision that they
> have nothing to contribute. I have made the decision that they don't
> belong here. I'm not comfortable with making those kinds of
> determinations, especially regarding people I have never met.
>
> Here's another point: for every person on this list, there is almost
> certainly at least one other person on the list that dislikes them
> or wishes they wouldn't come to the space. As Erik said last night,
> if you're not pissing off at least one person, you aren't trying.
> It's the nature of personalities.
>
> The concept of controlling access to the space is, on the face of
> it, not objectionable. However, when we get down to cases and
> reality, then it begins to break down.
>
> - Reverend Mik
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> www.prismandink.com
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/9/12, Rachel McConnell /<rachel at xtreme.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 2:41 PM
>
> Mik, yeah, your own criteria. If someone asks to be let in, and
> you choose to let them in, this means you found them acceptable
> by whatever criteria you think is good. If you don't think they
> are appropriate for NB, don't let them in. Someone else may
> have a different opinion, and then the other person may choose
> to let them in. This does in fact end up as people in the space
> applying "their own criteria in an arbitrary manner". It's an
> indication that the system is working. Excessive consistency is
> an indication that it's not.
>
> Seriously there is *NO* official policy of any kind at NB. "Be
> Excellent" is the only guideline. Use your own judgment,
> consider other people's points of view, apply your brain. Be
> the kind of person you want everyone else to be. This is not
> how the world in general works, true; but shouldn't it?
>
> Rachel1.0
>
> On 10/9/12 2:37 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Mitchel McAllister
> > <xonimmortal at yahoo.com <mailto:xonimmortal at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > 'm interested in hearing what the criteria for
> "acceptable" users is.
> >
> >
> > Unacceptable: Cretins who steal stuff and ruin it for the
> rest of us.
> >
> > Acceptable: People who don't.
> >
> >
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