[Noisebridge-discuss] Use of Nitrous Oxide in the space on Sunday night

[maestro]

>I could make the argument that Zach's choice in lyrical live
>improvisational music is really disruptive to my ability to work there
>and has cause me to on multiple occasions relocate to other parts of the
>building where I can't hear him, use headphones if I have them, or
>simply leave, which for the most part kills any ability to collaborate
>with anyone else in the space.

>Do I have a problem with Zach or him using a PA system in the space to
>bust flows out like no other? Absolutely not, it's Noisebridge and the
>space isn't mission critical for anyone.

*the dj booth/treehouse should be TOTALLY/CORRECTLY soundproofed and
cutout window shut with an openable, hinged, soundproofed door and
anyone who wants to play music 'externally' can sit in there and blast
their way into auditory bliss...

*and any audio hackers can use it to do shit...

*by blasting or even merely playing anything in the space 'externally'
when there isn't an organized announced party or event/presentation is
putting one's shit on other people and saying "you want to hear this
right now" or moreover "i will put my shit on you people and fuck you
if you don't like it" which is completely selfish. the renewal/refresh
of members and long-term regulars/others letting folks know the use of
headphones is most excellent needs to happen...

*otherwise the blasting of chinese opera, the spastic accordian/horn
heavy spanish channels, barney soundtracks, black metal and others
will most likely be projected/spat out very loudly to silence whomever
the selfish one(s) are at the given time(s) and ALL of them are very
effective...

\m/

On 10/11/12, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
> Susan Werner wrote, On 2012-10-10 14:01:
>> 3. The people using whippits were making noisebridge an actively /hostile/
>>
>> space for a handful of people.
>
> Susan: People doing anything in the space will make it actively an
> unpleasant place for a subsection of people. You framework of guidelines
> could be applied to anything, not just substances considered
> questionable in the state of California. Audio levels, cooking, choice
> of things to teach, the look and cleanliness of the space, simply who is
> in the space, the color of the calls, the occupancy level, sleepers,
> people playing video games, organizes commercial sports, anything could
> drive people away.
>
> I could make the argument that Zach's choice in lyrical live
> improvisational music is really disruptive to my ability to work there
> and has cause me to on multiple occasions relocate to other parts of the
> building where I can't hear him, use headphones if I have them, or
> simply leave, which for the most part kills any ability to collaborate
> with anyone else in the space.
>
> Do I have a problem with Zach or him using a PA system in the space to
> bust flows out like no other? Absolutely not, it's Noisebridge and the
> space isn't mission critical for anyone. We share a very experimental
> and questionable space with a ton of people, and we're all into
> different things and that's ok, Noisebridge harbors all of the things.
> If Zach were to pipe fat rhythms and beats into my skull every second of
> me being present at Noisebridge, then I would talk with Zach and figure
> out a way to coexist where he can do his thing and I can do my thing,
> but that hasn't happened and I'm happy to share the space with him.
>
> On the same round of thinking, Mike Kan hates it when there's loud music
> in the space (specifically I think he hates anything that sounds like
> rap, which some how to him is pretty much all music, but that's for an
> entirely different thread), and when I'm in the space and it sounds
> stagnant, I tend to play music on the speakers we've got setup. No
> matter how soft or loud the music is, if Mike can hear it he gets
> annoyed. I've been a total dick to Mike numerous times by either denying
> that I'm playing the music, or simply turning it back up after he
> requests that I turn it down (we've totally gotten into remote volume
> control wars over the network). And Mike has called me out on this shit
> before. That's great and Mike is totally right for doing so! And I've
> totally respected him in doing so. No frame work needed.
>
> We don't need frameworks or rules, we simply need to remind people that
> calling people out for their shit is an acceptable and totally excellent
> thing to do, but to also remember the space isn't specifically tailored
> for any one person or one grouping of person, other than people who self
> identify as hackers.
>
> Zach: I think it was great that you called out people on their actions
> making you uncomfortable and it sucks that they weren't as receptive to
> you and your concerns that they could have been.
>
> As being someone in the space that night, and pretty much scheduling the
> party, I can say that there was a group of folks near the sewing
> machines being louder than normal. However I personally didn't have a
> problem with their routyness as the space was actively throwing a party
> and there were other areas that people could use just as well that
> weren't as loud. I can also confirm that a brain scanning device was
> used for science and many folks sitting around the table earlier in the
> eve were for the most part working on projects while also socializing
> with the group. I didn't observe any negative behavior towards anyone
> coming from that part of the space (but that isn't to say it hadn't
> happened).
>
> With all that being said, I think there's a major difference between
> calling someone out for being loud and disruptive in the space, versus
> questioning the usage of substances in the space (with second hand usage
> aside).
>
> It's great that some folks on this thread are being receptive to Zach's
> message and I applaud that and would like to see some resolution to what
> sounds like people brushing him off at the party, but I'm really not to
> keen on this discussion deteriorating into some new founded necessity to
> police users of the space with whatever projects or experiments they
> want to conduct on their own bodies.
>
> Thank you and god bless.
>
> --
> Rubin
> rubin at starset.net
>
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