[Noisebridge-discuss] I got groped at noisebridge at hackmeet

[Ever Falling]

I like how a single email about a possible instance of sexual harassment
has caused the list to pretty much consume itself. It's sort of awe
inspiring, really.

Which is funny because aside from Tony i don't think I've read anyone
actually trying to support misogyny or lessen the seriousness of the topic.
Maybe i haven't vetted every paragraph (cause there's a lot of posts just
about how NB is so great about discussing this shit in the open) but i
haven't seen anyone really discount Susan or the problem of harassment at
the space. actually it seems a number of people have posted the opposite.
That it is an important problem that needs to be solved. Or am i missing
something? Can someone point to the people on this list (sans Tony because,
you know, it's Tony) that have been defending misogyny? Also: questioning
the reliability of the claim is NOT supporting the actions of the perp if
those claims tern out to be true. Just wanna make that clarification.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com> wrote:

> ... spoons?
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> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> You see that email quoted below? Read it. It says what I want to say.
>>
>> Fuck y'all motherfuckers who defend misogyny. Trying to write anything
>> beyond insults consumes too much time and spoons and most of y'alls are
>> a waste of my spoons to engage with.
>>
>> --
>> Sus``and take your whiter-than-a-sparkly-white-vampire-taint sexist
>> hacker community and shove it where the sun don't shine''an
>>
>> On Oct 22 15:02, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I've ignored noisebridge and the mailing list for months, because the
>> > bar got so low that i couldn't afford the drilling equipment needed to
>> > locate it. I don't give two shits about your oogle problem or your
>> > sleeping drama or whatever other whiny bullshit is the wankfest du
>> > jour, but this is really, really fucking important.
>> >
>> > I've been on panels at two internationally recognized hackercons about
>> > depression in the geek community, and in the longer panel at HOPE I
>> > brought up the pervasive habit of the "radically inclusive" hacker
>> > community to protect abusive people and behavior in the name of not
>> > ostracizing people or being "too PC" or otherwise fucking up the
>> > us-against-them status quo.  This is a stellar example of that
>> > behavior.  Seriously, I don't know how one gets such a mirror shine
>> > onto a turd. Satellites can see that shit from space.
>> >
>> > Jesus H. Christ in a flying rat vagina, what the actual fuck is wrong
>> > with you people?  I honestly don't even have words for how completely
>> > fucked this is.  It makes me want to get a pliers from the dirty shop
>> > and start breaking fingers until everyone's learned their lesson.
>> >
>> > There is a culture specific to noisebridge of nonaccountability.
>> > There is no real penalty for unacceptable behavior.  There is no
>> > repercussion to an individual or individuals who cross a line or harm
>> > another person.  The process of consensus must be applied to
>> > EVERYTHING, such that no cohesive group action can be performed
>> > efficiently or quickly, if at all.  "Do-ocracy" subs for group action
>> > but has no lasting effect on the psychology of the group or how it
>> > functions.  I have often described it as a black hole into which one
>> > can throw unlimited amounts of resources with no return.
>> >
>> > There is also a culture specific to the hacker community of pervasive
>> > emotional abuse, executed in such a way that promotes mistrust,
>> > paranoia, fear and aggression among peers and friends.  Nonvigilance
>> > guarantees victimhood, and victims are reminded that it's their fault
>> > for not being vigilant enough or not striking first.  Infosec is the
>> > biggest offender by far, but this mindset has spilled over into
>> > anything connected to the hacker scene and culture.  Bonus prizes
>> > include sexist behavior and ideology among both genders, a generous
>> > sprinkling of rape culture, and all the slut-shaming your heart could
>> > desire.
>> >
>> > Mash these two things together, and you get "a woman goes to a hacker
>> > party and is alienated by the local hacker community to the point
>> > where she is publicly crying, and is then sexually assaulted while
>> > crying, in front of community members who do nothing. This same
>> > community proceeds to then lash out at her ON THE INTERNET for
>> > complaining about being sexually assaulted."
>> >
>> > Holy everloving shit, I'm in r/creepshots.
>> >
>> > Oh, and don't try and hand me that "noisebridge-discuss isn't the same
>> > as the people in the actual space, isn't the same at the irc channel".
>> >  You people pass the buck so fast I'm surprised DARPA hasn't claimed
>> > it for renewable energy.   Everyone who does something in conjunction
>> > with the noisebridge name publicly represents the space and
>> > philosophy, whether you like it or not.  I have been uncomfortable for
>> > a long time with declaring any association with noisebridge, because
>> > of shit like this.  The noisebridge community is an embarrassment, and
>> > has been for a while.  Fuck your bedbugs, fuck your robot, fuck your
>> > kitchen, fuck yo couch.
>> >
>> > I appreciate those who have taken this seriously, vonguard and danny
>> > and ron and liz and whoever else i'm forgetting.   I have been through
>> > many incidences of emotional and physical abuse from hackers, and
>> > those incidences have been witnessed by hackers, who have sat by and
>> > done nothing, or blamed me if I tried to stand up for myself.  As
>> > someone who has experienced abusive behavior in the hacker community
>> > for years, the statement "we should probably be more proactive about
>> > this" feels inadequate.
>> >
>> >
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