[Noisebridge-discuss] Who do we want to exclude? [Drama]

Sean Kolk sean.kolk at gmail.com
Thu Apr 11 19:01:40 UTC 2013


So ... back to having a space where people and make, hack, learn, and
be excellent to each other: and removing anything that doesn't contribute
to these


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Gopiballava Flaherty <
gopiballava at gmail.com> wrote:

> From a philosophy professor, I believe, on a radio show I was listening to:
>
> "Epistemic violence" : violence caused by knowledge.
>
> The example he gave was when a woman gets in an elevator with a black man
> and looks frightened because she thinks a black man is likely to assault
> her. When he sees her fear, then his knowledge that his skin color
> frightens people is an act of epistemic violence against him.
>
> I get the feeling that some people try to apply the term "violence" to
> things because violence is agreed by most people to be bad, and should be
> stopped, so that label will make people try to stop something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> gopi at iPad
>
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:30, Robert Fletcher <lobatifricha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> According to Wikipedia: ""the use of physical force or power" should be
> understood to include neglect <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neglect> and
> all types of physical <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>,
> sexual <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse> and psychological<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse>abuse, as well as
> suicide <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide> and other self-abusive<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-abuse>acts."
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Mitchel McAllister <
> xonimmortal at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> You can discuss oppression, discrimination, and privilege, but that is
>> not violence, except in the most abstract sense of the word.
>>
>> And as far as "no one would agree with" - I'm agreeing with Random House,
>> Oxford Press, Webster, etc.
>>
>> - Reverend Mik McAllister
>> ------------------------------
>> "You can see the summit but you can't reach it
>> Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit
>> Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain
>> Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"
>>  - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"
>> ------------------------------
>> Purveyor of Subversive Fiction
>> http://www.prismandink.com
>> http://www.lunatextpublications.com
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 4/11/13, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who do we want to exclude? [Drama]
>> To: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 11:15 AM
>>
>>
>> That's one definition of violence I think no one would agree with and
>> demonstrates a political ignorance born of privilege; how can you deny the
>> oppression we enact on countless third world workers through our internet?
>> -dru
>> On Apr 11, 2013 10:11 AM, "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=xonimmortal@yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Violence is typically defined as physical, injurious force. I have seen
>> no violence at Noisebridge - not even during the Scud and Chrissie soap
>> opera.
>>
>> The behavior is definitely unexcellent. It is disruptive, as in
>> interrupting or disturbing things that are going on in the space.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/10/13, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com<http://mc/compose?to=andrew@pachakutech.com>>
>> wrote:
>> Nope, it's most definitely a violence towards others to not speak up when
>> Twitchy McJunkie decides to take a post-burrito nap during the physics
>> class visit. It's also violence towards others who leave b/c we tolerate
>> the presence of ignorant uggles with no interest in hacking or
>> self-improvement--those who don't care when their joissance overflows into
>> other's work space.
>>
>> Don't minimize the pain... I came in this morning and promptly left
>> instead of addressing the sleeping corpses and smoking on the balcony, and
>> I'm rather stoic about such things.
>> Point being, it's violence either way.
>> -dru
>>
>>
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