[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now

Sai noisebridge at saizai.com
Fri Apr 12 07:11:15 UTC 2013

FWIW, I stand by what I said in the OP. If I believe someone in the space
is stealing something, I will call the police on them. I will also call the
police for things such as assault.

I should note that I'm also the guy making cards informing people about how
to assert their rights with police. I am a strong fan of constitutional
rights and protecting oneself from wrongful or overreaching police action.

But when it comes to getting someone to take care of violent behavior that
harms me or others in my community, that's who gets the job. I don't
believe in vigilantism or omertà.

Ultimately it will always come down to a decision made by any of up to five
or so people who have maybe a minute to decide (often more like 20 seconds
once they even realize what's going on). When shit happens, it is simply
not a time for consensus.

My concern is that people making such decisions in the moment (including
me) have enough information to make an informed judgment about whether they
are dealing with theft; legal but unwanted behavior; or just the amount of
craziness that we routinely tolerate.

- Sai

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ken M. Haggerty <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sorry for the ambiguity and too-quick response.
> While I understand and appreciate trepidation and good judgment when
> deciding to involve the police or any government agencies, Noisebridge will
> cease to be a place where I am comfortable if safety-critical help is
> delayed or forbidden from anyone at Noisebridge because of another member's
> well- or ill-found paranoia.
> Maestro's original email outlining protocol was fine by me, but subsequent
> emails including the notion of "the police are harmful to every community"
> are worrisome. I always worry about anyone who deals in absolutes,
> regardless of political leanings.
> I still don't have any good answers to the safety situation other than
> moving Noisebridge out of the Mission (which seems implausible for now) or
> other ideas that go against Noisebridge's anarchistic and open culture.
> I don't believe turning unclaimed bikes over to police means that the
> police have to enter Noisebridge, but I am unfamiliar with such procedure
> so others should clarify if that is the case.
> -Ken
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>> Are you talking about maestro's
>> counter-counter-counter-counter-culture-culture stance, or Ron's statement?
>> --- On *Thu, 4/11/13, Ken M. Haggerty <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>* wrote:
>> If we have such idiotic policies in place then I will certainly cease to
>> be a part of Noisebridge.
>> -Ken
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