[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now

[Andrew Byrne]

These are my feelings, as well. I honestly thought nameless was trolling.
Might be og, though that increases the likelihood of such. -dru
On Apr 12, 2013 8:34 AM, "Ari Lacenski" <alacenski at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nameless, you keep offering your services under anonymity.
>
> I don't feel protected or more interested in coming to NB under the
> offered protection of someone who isn't in SF, isn't currently in the
> community and won't say who they are.
>
> Ari
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM,  <name1355 at tormail.org> wrote:
> > @Sai, is there an ethical and legal solution that can be put in place now
> > to prevent the bike problem from happening in the future?  Albeit
> > important to file a report, calling the police on a thief or aggressor
> > isn't preventative.
> >
> > @Noisebridge: I know it would be an asset to have someone around who is
> > dedicated to enforcing rules and facilitating the safety of Noisebridge
> > and it's community.  Having someone who is dedicated to that process will
> > remove the burden from members and visitors.
> >
> > I'm just throwing it out there because I know I'm coming back to San
> > Francisco in a few months and I know I could do the job.  I have a lot of
> > love for Noisebridge and I'd like to establish myself in the community
> > when I get back.
> >
> > -Nameless
> >
> >> FWIW, I stand by what I said in the OP. If I believe someone in the
> space
> >> is stealing something, I will call the police on them. I will also call
> >> the
> >> police for things such as assault.
> >>
> >> I should note that I'm also the guy making cards informing people about
> >> how
> >> to assert their rights with police. I am a strong fan of constitutional
> >> rights and protecting oneself from wrongful or overreaching police
> action.
> >>
> >> But when it comes to getting someone to take care of violent behavior
> that
> >> harms me or others in my community, that's who gets the job. I don't
> >> believe in vigilantism or omertà .
> >>
> >> Ultimately it will always come down to a decision made by any of up to
> >> five
> >> or so people who have maybe a minute to decide (often more like 20
> seconds
> >> once they even realize what's going on). When shit happens, it is simply
> >> not a time for consensus.
> >>
> >> My concern is that people making such decisions in the moment (including
> >> me) have enough information to make an informed judgment about whether
> >> they
> >> are dealing with theft; legal but unwanted behavior; or just the amount
> of
> >> craziness that we routinely tolerate.
> >>
> >> - Sai
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ken M. Haggerty
> >> <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry for the ambiguity and too-quick response.
> >>>
> >>> While I understand and appreciate trepidation and good judgment when
> >>> deciding to involve the police or any government agencies, Noisebridge
> >>> will
> >>> cease to be a place where I am comfortable if safety-critical help is
> >>> delayed or forbidden from anyone at Noisebridge because of another
> >>> member's
> >>> well- or ill-found paranoia.
> >>>
> >>> Maestro's original email outlining protocol was fine by me, but
> >>> subsequent
> >>> emails including the notion of "the police are harmful to every
> >>> community"
> >>> are worrisome. I always worry about anyone who deals in absolutes,
> >>> regardless of political leanings.
> >>>
> >>> I still don't have any good answers to the safety situation other than
> >>> moving Noisebridge out of the Mission (which seems implausible for now)
> >>> or
> >>> other ideas that go against Noisebridge's anarchistic and open culture.
> >>>
> >>> I don't believe turning unclaimed bikes over to police means that the
> >>> police have to enter Noisebridge, but I am unfamiliar with such
> >>> procedure
> >>> so others should clarify if that is the case.
> >>>
> >>> -Ken
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mitchel McAllister
> >>> <xonimmortal at yahoo.com
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Are you talking about maestro's
> >>>> counter-counter-counter-counter-culture-culture stance, or Ron's
> >>>> statement?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On *Thu, 4/11/13, Ken M. Haggerty <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>*
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If we have such idiotic policies in place then I will certainly cease
> >>>> to
> >>>> be a part of Noisebridge.
> >>>> -Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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