[Noisebridge-discuss] Who do we want to exclude? [Drama]

Andrew Byrne andrew at pachakutech.com
Fri Apr 12 22:18:38 UTC 2013

" people standing on the fire escape are obstructions" <-- are those your
words, or the law? If the latter, then I would point out a seemingly
glaring confound in the law, if the former, your confusion; it would seem
the quoted law even makes an example of cases (not ours) where people are
often to be found. The only way I can see that line making a lick of sense
is if one can legally occupy /only/ Useable Open Spaces, which is not
really the domain of the fire code. It's not like it's a designated smoking
area or something. -dru
On Apr 12, 2013 2:24 PM, "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Fri, 4/12/13, Aly Kaplan <alykaplan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to see the law that says this is illegal -- it certainly isn't
> > according to SF Fire Code.
> >
> > However, it is always good to be excellent to your neighbors.It may also
> > be prohibited on your lease.
> Retrieved from
> http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&vid=amlegal:sanfrancisco_ca
> San Francisco Fire Code 1030.2.1 [Chapter 10 "Means of Egress"]
>    Fire escapes and related balconies, ladders, landings, and operating
> devices shall not be obstructed in any manner. No object shall be stored on
> or attached to a fire escape without the approval of the fire code official.
> San Francisco Building Inspection Commission (BIC) Codes Sec. 908
>    All safety devices or equipment provided for in this chapter shall be
> maintained in good repair at all times. Fire escapes shall be kept clear
> and unobstructed and be readily accessible at all times. Upon inspection,
> the property owner, or authorized agent, shall demonstrate to the Director
> or designated personnel, that all existing fire escapes are fully
> operational and properly maintained. Upon completion of the inspection, all
> existing fire escapes shall be secured pursuant to Section 1110.3.1. of the
> San Francisco Fire Code.
> San Francisco Planning code Article 1.2 SEC. 135.  USABLE OPEN SPACE FOR
>  (f)(3)     Fire Escapes as Usable Open Space. Normal fire escape grating
> shall not be considered suitable surfacing for usable open space. The steps
> of a fire escape stairway or ladder, and any space less than six feet deep
> between such steps and a wall of the building, shall not be credited as
> usable open space. But the mere potential use of a balcony area for an
> emergency fire exit by occupants of other dwelling units (or bedrooms in
> group housing) shall not prevent it from being credited as usable open
> space on grounds of lack of privacy or usability.
> People standing on the fire escape are obstructions. Fire escapes are not
> open space.
> However, I also noticed that we are in violation because the fire escape
> door is not locked against people entering from outside, which seems to be
> the focus of a lot more codes, ordinances, and case law.
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