[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] Addressing individuals

Tony Longshanks LeTigre anthonyletigre at gmail.com
Thu Apr 18 20:43:34 UTC 2013

Awesome, because this time I know I can catch you in a lie. Two other
individuals were sitting in the laser cutter space the other night when Dan
came back in from his confrontation with you & told us about the whole
incident. A third person also heard Dan tell the story. Two of these
individuals are named Chris & are new to Noisebridge, the third was also
new to the space & I can't recall his name. They may have thought Dan was
kidding about it all---that's not the impression I got---but they heard him
say it. Let's see if they'll own up to what they heard. I'm BCCing this to
both of them.

BTW, Dan, b/c I know you read Disgust, too...whether you reply or
not....after telling us the whole spiel the other night ("he had a box
cutter in his hand, trying to act like he's all street or somethin', I
didn't see what he had in his other hand...") you asked ME to apologize to
Mik on your behalf ("tell him I was just playin', I thought we were just
jokin' around"), further trying to drag me into your conflict (which I was
making every attempt to ignore, as I was working on laser cuts & the SF
projector map).

I would have put up with shrugging the incident off, but I won't put up
with being called a liar for reporting the words & deeds of others. No
fucking way.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Mitchel McAllister
<xonimmortal at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I agree. The guy with the knife should stay away. Whoever that might  be,
> because it wasn't me. But thanks to everybody for taking the word of Tony
> on this - by the way, Dan never said anything about me having a knife. But
> hey, Tony can say whatever he likes, without consequence,as he has been
> doing constantly since September.
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:31:41 pm
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> From: "Drew McDermott" <drewmcdermott2002 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] Addressing individuals
> > In the case of Daravinne, I intentionally broadcast personal info about
> her
> > as an attack because I know she's a very private person & would hate
> that.
> Can you and the guy with the knife and whoever he was trying to knife stay
> away from the space for a while?
> You are screwing up Noisebridge for everyone.
> thanks.
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I understand your suggestion. In the case of "The Reverend Mik" and Dan
> > Chinaski, I intended to tell them both in person this morning that I
> > thought their violent behavior last night inhibited the workspace & made
> me
> > uncomfortable in the space, & that since I said that last night & they
> > disregarded or pretended not to hear it, I was going to take the next
> step
> > & post it to the Disgust list. This is the same thing that happened with
> > another individual (it's not a secret, but I'll refrain) a year or so ago
> > after I confronted him about some mega shitty behavior on his part in the
> > NB kitchen: not only did he not take responsibility or show any
> contrition,
> > he escalated things further, at which point my options were to engage in
> a
> > physical confrontation with him in the middle of the space, or bring it
> to
> > the community's attention. I chose the latter.
> >
> > In the case of Daravinne, I intentionally broadcast personal info about
> > her as an attack because I know she's a very private person & would hate
> > that. I, on the other hand, hate having 3 years of work stolen from me,
> > first by police, then by her. We're talking about things I've worked on
> on
> > a DAILY basis for the last 3 years, which I have been unable to touch for
> > the last 2 months. I knew I ran the risk of arrest, jail &c when I holed
> up
> > in the darkroom in the unused lab at UCSF Parnassus, but I didn't expect
> it
> > from a "friend," even one who had shown previous hints of her "true
> colors"
> > in the past. In other words, airing that sort of personal attack is not
> > something I would nor
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