[Noisebridge-discuss] leave (and associated belligerence)

Tony Longshanks LeTigre anthonyletigre at gmail.com
Sun Apr 21 17:35:12 UTC 2013

One further thing: I didn't want to be part of the incident in the first
place but knew no one else was going to challenge the shitty behavior in
the space. I expected my request that both individuals leave the space &
come back later to be honored. Since it was not, I conclude that the
guidelines of Excellent behavior expected at Noisebridge are no longer in
effect. The response to my post is not what I expected & I find it very
disappointing & unfortunate (for the whole community). My attitude toward
the space has changed. So be it. In the scheme of things, really doesn't


On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:

> Drew,
> Dan tells different things to different people. I have witnesses. Dan
> doesn't want to be involved in this issue any more for reasons of his own.
> I also don't want to be involved in the issue any more for other reasons:
> mainly, I'm working. I didn't want to be involved in the issue in the first
> place. I spent that entire night trying to work in the space, moving from
> one end to the other & unable to do so no matter where I worked because
> belligerent individuals were fighting around me & trying to rope me into
> their conflict or disturbing the atmosphere to the point that work was
> impossible. I have unsubscribed from the DIsgust list forever & am only
> responding to this b/c it was mailed to me. I would prefer to have no
> matter part in this discussion. Please don't insinuate that I'm a liar,
> though, that's weak. It's also another betrayal from a former friend. (I
> will handle the remainder of this discussion off-list.)
> +11+
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can we take the drama to the meeting?  I think both of them should be
>> banned for unexcellent behavior.  I frankly don't care if a knife was or
>> was not pulled at this point.  It is stupid drama that has nothing to do
>> with hacking.  Let us all shut up and hack.
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>> I'd like to point out that Dan doesn't recall a knife and he's sorry
>>> about falling down the stairs. -dru
>>>  On Apr 18, 2013 8:00 PM, "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I have not brought any scuzzy people into the space. I haven't brought
>>>> *any* people into the space.
>>>> Once again Tony proves that he and reality have ireeconcilable
>>>> differences.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35:09 pm
>>>> To: "Andrew Byrne" <andrew at pachakutech.com>
>>>> Cc: Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>, NoiseBridge Discuss <
>>>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>>> From: "Tony Longshanks LeTigre" <anthonyletigre at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] leave (and associated belligerence)
>>>> "Tony knows I didn't have a knife."
>>>> Bullshit. How would I know you didn't have a knife? Your attitude in the
>>>> space has continuously been extremely hostile. You bring scuzzy
>>>> disruptive
>>>> people into the space. I told two people last night about the incident &
>>>> they both replied, "I'm not surprised [that you pulled a knife], he's
>>>> brutal." That's just about verbatim.
>>>> I'm not trying to make myself the center of attention, I'm trying to
>>>> make
>>>> shitty behavior on the part of yourself & others the center of
>>>> attention,
>>>> so it will hopefully be dealt with, since I alone obviously lack the
>>>> power
>>>> to resolve it.
>>>> As of today, I officially don't care. I've reconnected with the big
>>>> beautiful world outside Noisebridge. I will be in the space sporadically
>>>> for the next week or so, then going North for a break. From that point
>>>> on
>>>> my relationship to Noisebridge is going to change, from a drug
>>>> addiction to
>>>> a healthier, less intimate, more sustainable relationship.
>>>> So, since no one else seems to care about this issue, I don't either.
>>>> Maybe
>>>> knife fights are just the thing we need to mix it up a bit. I've got
>>>> several knives myself for prepping food in the wilderness & self-defense
>>>> (if need be). Have fun, everyone. I still think NB is a great place. I'm
>>>> coming in later today to see if I can laser cut a couple things in time
>>>> for
>>>> a meeting I have tonight.
>>>> +11+
>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> > A third party asking witnesses other than our friend Tony if they saw
>>>> > anything, maybe. An impasse would be unpleasant.
>>>> >  On Apr 17, 2013 11:35 PM, "Mitchel McAllister" <
>>>> xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>  I really wish you people would learn what "mediate" means.
>>>>  mediation
>>>> >> implies a middle ground.  Exactly what middle ground exists between
>>>> a false
>>>> >> accusation and anassertion that the accusation is false?
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:14:46 pm
>>>> >> To: "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
>>>> >> Cc: Tony Longshanks
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>> Ronald Cotoni
>> Systems Engineer
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